Secret Rapture

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Completely different views on these final events, When i trace the origins of dispensationalism, i know why i don't believe it.
The Bible is plain but we can make it say anything if we want to.
 
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

When is the change from corruption to immortality? = The last trump. When the dead are raised, In the twinkling of an eye. It all happens at the same time.
what do we inherit? The heavenly kingdom, (that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God).
There is no earthly kingdom mentioned here and no distinction between a group that get raptured secretly before the rest of the saved.
 
It seems to me that: Matthew 24:5 = first seal. 24:6 = second seal. 24:6-7= third seal. 24:7 = forth seal. 24:9 = fifth seal. 24:29-31 = sixth seal. How do pretrib believers get around Matthew 24:29-31 (the sixth seal). It's like the elephant in the room.
 
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

I don't see anything that reveals a secret rapture hear,
The Wicked shall be destroyed with the brightness of Christ's coming: (including the antichrist). No seven years, no 3 and a half years.
 
Good point.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

And they persecuted Jesus
 
It seems to me that: Matthew 24:5 = first seal. 24:6 = second seal. 24:6-7= third seal. 24:7 = forth seal. 24:9 = fifth seal. 24:29-31 = sixth seal. How do pretrib believers get around Matthew 24:29-31 (the sixth seal). It's like the elephant in the room.

Hello Beloved777,

It is simple, Mt.24:29-31, though its description seems similar to the 6th seal, it cannot be the same event and here is why:

As Jesus describes the signs leading up to his return, in Mt.24:15 he mentions the abomination that causes the desolation, which according to Dan.9:27 takes place in the middle of the seven and therefore, in the chronological order of the signs, Mt.24:15 would be the middle. The event of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light would then take place some time after the abomination is set up and at the end of the seven years, with Christ returning immediately after that event in Mt.24:30-31. The problem is that, if that event of the sun, moon and stars was synonymous with the 6th seal mentioned in Revelation 6, then we know that following that is the 7th seal, followed by the seven trumpets, which is followed by the seven bowl judgments. That being said, do you see any of those other events taking place after the event of the sun, moon and stars? No, we don't! Therefore, that event in Mt.24:29 cannot be the same event as the 6th seal, but a similar event that will take place at the end of the seven years just prior to Christ's return to end the age. In fact, there are multiple other events mentioned in revelation that involve the sun, moon and stars.

The event of Mt.24:29 is the sign of the sun, moon and stars which takes place immediately before Christ's return to the earth to end the age. And Mt.24:30-31 is the event of Christ's return to the earth and therefore, there is no room for the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgments to take place. Furthermore, after the 6th bowl has been poured out, Jesus interjects the following:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed"

The above would demonstrate beyond doubt, that Jesus has not returned by the time the 6th bowl judgment has been poured out. It is not until after the 7th bowl, as demonstrated in Rev.19:11-21 that Jesus returns. After Mt.24:29, we do not see any of the plagues that would follow the 6th seal in Mt.24:29. That said, if Mt.24:29 was synonymous with the 6th seal, then we should see references to the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the bowl judgments, but there are none. In fact, Christ's immediate return to end the age takes place immediately after Mt.24:29.
 
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1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

When is the change from corruption to immortality? = The last trump. When the dead are raised, In the twinkling of an eye. It all happens at the same time.
what do we inherit? The heavenly kingdom, (that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God).
There is no earthly kingdom mentioned here and no distinction between a group that get raptured secretly before the rest of the saved.

That's mostly the actual written Biblical view except for the part about an earthly kingdom, which about that part many are still confused.

God's future Kingdom will still involve the earth. Whole lot of prophecy tied with that per the OT prophets, even with simple passages like how the meek shall inherit the earth.

What will change is our 'type' of body (corruption to a body of incorruption), yet we will still live and dwell upon the earth. Along with that change on the "last trump" is a blending of the two dimensions of the earthly and the heavenly (or spirit) right here on earth. This is why Ezekiel 47 reveals a return of God's River on earth that was once here per Genesis 2, with it flowing out of Eden and feeding four other rivers upon the earth. Ezekiel 47 also reveals the tree of life involving many trees on either side of that River with its location on earth, in the middle east.

At the same time the New Jerusalem with its base on earth where Jerusalem is today will extend upwards also something like 1380 - 1500 miles.

Those descriptions are straight out of God's Holy Writ, so it's not like He didn't already give us many clues how His future Kingdom will be. So those who are not aware of all that in His Word, what does that show?
 
The problem is that, if that event of the sun, moon and stars was synonymous with the 6th seal mentioned in Revelation 6, then we know that following that is the 7th seal, followed by the seven trumpets, which is followed by the seven bowl judgments.

The problem with that view is that it relies completely on the order of the events that were seen and written down by John, and not according to the order of the type of events described. Even the event of the 1st Seal is not written in the order it will actually occur. The order of the events given in the Seals is based on the order events for the last days Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse (Matt.24; Mark 13). The last event Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse was that of His coming and gathering of His Church. It's the same in Rev.6, the last event is about His appearance and the nations in fear.

The 6th Seal description contains a partial summary of the type of events to occur at the very end. It includes the events of Rev.12:7-17 which is tribulation timing in the Rev.6:13 verse, but the Rev.6:12 verse is about the "day of the Lord" event on the last day. So it's like someone telling you the recipe for the end leading up to the last day without including the exact order, because the casting out of Satan and his angels as untimely figs happens prior to the sun being darkened, which is in reference to this on the day of Jesus' return:

Zech 14:6-7
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:


7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
KJV
 
Truthfully, I don't understand your question.

That's just an idea pre-trib has concocted based on their theories on a verse like this:

Matt 24:22
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
KJV


They actually don't understand what our Lord Jesus meant by that if He didn't shorten the days of the great trib no flesh would be saved. They take that quite literally, along with their misunderstanding that the trib is going to be some kind of wholesale slaughter of the peoples on earth. Books by their pundit Hal Lindsay has helped a lot in promoting that view of wholesale slaughter for the trib.

Here's what Apostle Paul showed the kind of time on earth the trib will be like for the majority:

1 Thess 5:3
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
KJV


All wars will have stopped by the time of that tribulation, which is why the wicked and deceived will be saying that "Peace and safety" has come. That is part of the requirement for the coming pseudo-Christ's deception in fooling the whole world in that time, playing God. The whole world will believe he is God, and having the power to create peace on earth is part of that false one's working per the "little horn" and "vile person" prophecies in Dan.8 and Dan.11.

Although some of us will be delivered up, and some of us will be killed for refusing to bow to that coming pseudo-Christ, that is by no means the majority of Christ's Church on earth that will happen to. The no flesh saved idea is actually about the few in that time which will not have bowed in false worship, because false worship against The Father and His Son is what the main event is about for that tribulation time.
 
I know a lot of people believe that there will be a pre tribulation rapture of the church. For the moment, let's set aside when this event will happen, pre trib., mid trib. or post trib. or even if there is a rapture at all. For this thread please limit it to whether this event is secret or not where people left behind when the church would be taken up don't know what happened.

Can people who believe it is a secret event where no one left behind will know what happened as portrayed in several popular movies and also that has been taught from the pulpit by some pastors please give us some Bible passages that show specifically it is a secret event?


Again, this topic is about it being a secret event where people just, 'poof' disappear and it is not about the timing of such an event. I have been hunting for information that supports the secret rapture but I have yet to find anything on it.
"Enoch was,then he was not...for he walked with God"

Secret ?

That cliche is promoted by post trib s . That is the only place I have ever heard it.

Take a made up cliche,advance it,promote it,twist it,spin it,look ever so deeply into it until it is the very pinacle of doctrine.

Pooof!

Postrib rapture doctrine .

Verses become indirect dynamics.
 
Hello Beloved777,

It is simple, Mt.24:29-31, though its description seems similar to the 6th seal, it cannot be the same event and here is why:

As Jesus describes the signs leading up to his return, in Mt.24:15 he mentions the abomination that causes the desolation, which according to Dan.9:27 takes place in the middle of the seven and therefore, in the chronological order of the signs, Mt.24:15 would be the middle. The event of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light would then take place some time after the abomination is set up and at the end of the seven years, with Christ returning immediately after that event in Mt.24:30-31. The problem is that, if that event of the sun, moon and stars was synonymous with the 6th seal mentioned in Revelation 6, then we know that following that is the 7th seal, followed by the seven trumpets, which is followed by the seven bowl judgments. That being said, do you see any of those other events taking place after the event of the sun, moon and stars? No, we don't! Therefore, that event in Mt.24:29 cannot be the same event as the 6th seal, but a similar event that will take place at the end of the seven years just prior to Christ's return to end the age. In fact, there are multiple other events mentioned in revelation that involve the sun, moon and stars.

The event of Mt.24:29 is the sign of the sun, moon and stars which takes place immediately before Christ's return to the earth to end the age. And Mt.24:30-31 is the event of Christ's return to the earth and therefore, there is no room for the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgments to take place. Furthermore, after the 6th bowl has been poured out, Jesus interjects the following:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed"

The above would demonstrate beyond doubt, that Jesus has not returned by the time the 6th bowl judgment has been poured out. It is not until after the 7th bowl, as demonstrated in Rev.19:11-21 that Jesus returns. After Mt.24:29, we do not see any of the plagues that would follow the 6th seal in Mt.24:29. That said, if Mt.24:29 was synonymous with the 6th seal, then we should see references to the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the bowl judgments, but there are none. In fact, Christ's immediate return to end the age takes place immediately after Mt.24:29.

Enjoyed reading that.

The elephant in the room would be the inability of postrib s to take a peek at our verses.

Their doctrine requires omission.

It is a biblical travesty
 
The problem with that view is that it relies completely on the order of the events that were seen and written down by John, and not according to the order of the type of events described. Even the event of the 1st Seal is not written in the order it will actually occur.

Well DP, the burden of proof is on you and those who hold to your interpretation. What is more plausible, that the events in Revelation take place just as they are written or that the reader has to take them out of their chronological order? There is a reason that they are listed as plagues one through seven and that's because that is the order in which they take place. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to change the order that God put them in. What you are proclaiming is a false teaching that you got from others, as I have seen this same teaching many other times.

It is ridiculous to think that the first seal is not first! If you envision a scroll with seven seals, then you would have to break that first seal before you can get to the second seal and so-on. In other words, you can't just skip to say, the third seal and that because the first seal has to be opened first, followed by the second and third, etc. When you take the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments out of order, then you just make a mess out of the order of events described in Revelation. Furthermore, there is absolutely no reason to take them out of order. The only reason that expositors do this is so that it fits their interpretation.

The last event Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse was that of His coming and gathering of His Church. It's the same in Rev.6, the last event is about His appearance and the nations in fear.

Regarding the above, the same problem exists and that is that the scripture states that Christ rescues us from the coming wrath and that we not appointed to suffer wrath, which is what the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are, i.e. God's wrath. That said, the church will be removed prior to the first seal being opened. As further proof of this, I continue to demonstrate from scripture that you will not find the word "Ekklesia" translated as "Church" anywhere in the narrative during God's wrath and that because the Church is already gone.

So it's like someone telling you the recipe for the end leading up to the last day without including the exact order, because the casting out of Satan and his angels as untimely figs happens prior to the sun being darkened, which is in reference to this on the day of Jesus' return:

The above is complete conjecture on your part, as there is nothing that links the war in heaven with the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light. You are reading into the scripture what is not there. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place in the exact order that they are found in the book of Revelation. To take them out of order that God put them in and to teach that, is to tamper with the book of Revelation and you know what is written regarding those who do such things:

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

If the seals, trumpets and bowls where in a different order than they appear, then God would have put them in that order. They will happen in exactly the order that they are written in.
 
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Completely different views on these final events, When i trace the origins of dispensationalism, i know why i don't believe it.
The Bible is plain but we can make it say anything if we want to.

Yep. When we are Amillennial, that's exactly what we do.

Or we take the bible literally. Which would make us dispensational.

 
Truthfully, I don't understand your question.

The bible says when jesus returns, All who have rejected him and followed the beast are killed

That means everyone left alive are born again children of god.

If they are all raptured (which post trib would have to be saying) WHo is left for the king to be king over. there is no one left alive on earth. They were either killed or raptured.
 
So many people misunderstand the meaning and sequencing of the seals, trumpets and bowls. Let me explain.

The seals, merely "seal" the scroll which has writings on the front (trumpets) and back (bowls). As Christ opens each seal, John looks and sees events unfold on earth. We are not told that the seals have any association to the GT or Wrath until the 6th seal. This is important to note as I will explain. Once the seals are fully released, then the scroll can be fully opened and read, front and back.

Trumpets have often been used to signify a warning, or call to action. "Things" affected by the trumpets are symbolic and spiritual in nature; they cannot be and aren't literal. Each of the things mentioned have symbolic or spiritual alternative meanings.

These are the things affected by the:

6 Trumpets
:

1. Earth
2. Sea
3. Rivers and Springs of Water
4. Sun, Moon & Stars (Light)
5. Kingdom of the Beast
6. Great River Euphrates


Now turn to the Bowls. They clearly represent the Wrath of God. “Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth.” The same 6 things are affected. If you read carefully, you see that the bowls affect twice what the trumpets affect. This doubling is God's Wrath as we are told in Rev 18. This verse unlocks the key to the identity of the trumpets: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.

6 Bowls:

1. Earth
2. Sea
3. Rivers and Springs of Water
4. Sun, Moon & Stars (Light)
5. Kingdom of the Beast
6. Great River Euphrates


Clearly, we see a doubling of the affect of the bowls as compared to the Trumpets.

If one understands Biblical symbols and what they represent, you quickly understand that the bowls are in twice strength to the trumpets. The Bowls also tell us what the trumpet symbols mean.

If one looks closely, one sees that divine wrath is comprised of the 6th seal, 6th trumpet and all bowls. We see just prior to the 6th seal the results of the Great Trib at the 5th Seal. Once one understands that Mystery Babylon is in fact ISLAM, so much of Revelation comes into clear focus. The identity of the 7th Beast, for example, was foretold by Daniel and John.

The Lord returns and it is finished at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet and 7th bowl. 7-7-7 is divine completeness.
 
I know a lot of people believe that there will be a pre tribulation rapture of the church. For the moment, let's set aside when this event will happen, pre trib., mid trib. or post trib. or even if there is a rapture at all. For this thread please limit it to whether this event is secret or not where people left behind when the church would be taken up don't know what happened.

Can people who believe it is a secret event where no one left behind will know what happened as portrayed in several popular movies and also that has been taught from the pulpit by some pastors please give us some Bible passages that show specifically it is a secret event?


Again, this topic is about it being a secret event where people just, 'poof' disappear and it is not about the timing of such an event. I have been hunting for information that supports the secret rapture but I have yet to find anything on it.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Bible states that it will be an event that the world knows about,the resurrection of the saints,and it will occur after the tribulation,when the man of sin and the world make war against the saints,which the Bible says he shall destroy the mighty and holy people,and when they shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,then all things are finished.

After the resurrection the wrath of God is poured upon the world,leading to the battle of Armageddon,when Jesus comes back with His saints and fights the world.Even though the world sees the resurrection,they took the mark,and it is not in them to repent,so they know they cannot be right with God,and go to make war with Israel.
 
We are not told that the seals have any association to the GT or Wrath until the 6th seal.


The above is incorrect and that because Jesus, the Lamb, is the One who opening the seals. The announcement made that the wrath of God has come includes the previous seals that were opened and not just everything that takes place after that. The result of the fourth seal, based on the current population of 7 billion, would be 1.7 billion fatalities. So yes, the seals one through four are included as belonging to God's wrath. It is just at the 6th seal that the announcement is made.
 
Well DP, the burden of proof is on you and those who hold to your interpretation. What is more plausible, that the events in Revelation take place just as they are written or that the reader has to take them out of their chronological order? There is a reason that they are listed as plagues one through seven and that's because that is the order in which they take place. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to change the order that God put them in. What you are proclaiming is a false teaching that you got from others, as I have seen this same teaching many other times.

It's not difficult at all to prove what I said. All one need do is read and 'understand' the type of 'event' being described in relation to other Scripture witnesses of the same event, allowing God's Word to interpret Itself as The LORD intended.

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;


16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV


All those events in bold are right in line with the event of the "day of the Lord" by the OT prophets, which are also the events included within the 7th Trumpet timing, and the 7th Vial timing.

Isa 2:10-12
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
KJV

Isa 2:19-21
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His majesty, when He ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
KJV



God even emphasized that Rev.6:15 event twice in that Isaiah 2 Chapter with that example.

Isa 34:4-8
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For My sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of My curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
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2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
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7th Vial


Rev 16:18-21
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
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Isa 13:13
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of His fierce anger.
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It is ridiculous to think that the first seal is not first! If you envision a scroll with seven seals, then you would have to break that first seal before you can get to the second seal and so-on. In other words, you can't just skip to say, the third seal and that because the first seal has to be opened first, followed by the second and third, etc. When you take the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments out of order, then you just make a mess out of the order of events described in Revelation. Furthermore, there is absolutely no reason to take them out of order. The only reason that expositors do this is so that it fits their interpretation.

Rev 6:2
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
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That rider is NOT our Lord Jesus Christ coming, although Jesus does come riding a white horse also per Rev.19 on the day of The Lord. Our Lord Jesus wields a SWORD coming on a white horse to smite the nations; this one here wields a "bow" (which Strong's even defines as being of a cheap fabric).

This rider of Rev.6:2 is the coming Antichrist. But when does he come doing that conquering, and what type and time of conquering per other Scriptures like Rev.13 must be kept in mind (i.e. the 42 months which signals the middle of Daniel's "one week").

Thus that rider there is the coming Antichrist trying to mimic our Lord Jesus Who comes on a white horse. That is actually what the coming pseudo-Christ of Matt.24:23-26 is to try and do in Jerusalem (also per Paul in 2 Thess.2:3-4). It's about setting himself up to be worshiped in place of God at the end, which is for the LAST HALF of Daniel's symbolic "one week".

And when that rider (Antichrist/pseudo-Christ) does that, he persecutes the saints on earth, which is 5th Seal timing per Rev.6. Thus Antichrist's coming to do that is more in line with the 4th and 5th Seals than with any 1st Seal if we are to strictly keep to the order of events per other Scripture witnesses.

WHY then is that warning of the Antichrist coming a white horse given first in Rev.6?

It's because in our Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse, when He began answering His disciple's question of what the signs of the end were, that was the very FIRST sign He gave:

Mark 13:4-6
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
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Don't let anyone deceive you, He said. That especially... includes the coming pseudo-Christ that He spoke of to come later in that Chapter. It also includes the "many antichrists" that would come first prior to the coming of the pseudo-Christ for the main show. That's who the rider on the white horse of Rev.6:2 represents, the main DECEIVER to come for the end prior to Christ's coming to destroy him with the brightness of His coming per 2 Thess.2:8.