Saved by Water
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Gen 1:26 refutes your view.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Your god is schizophrenic.
Jesus does in fact ascend to be outside of time (existing side-by-side with the Father in all of eternity) after having descended to become a Man. So, the Son, while He was begotten in the incarnation, exists at the beginning of time where God spoke in Genesis 1:26.
Hos 11:8, How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.
They are not unbiblical.
It is sad when a person who is facing peril thinks that he is facing no peril. Because no amount of warning him about the peril will succeed at getting him to avoid the danger that he is facing. He will go headlong into that danger thinking that he is in no danger. The result: the danger will overtake him.
How 'bout that! You admit that the Son and Father exist SIDE BY SIDE! yep!
The key to Gen 1:26 is that the Godhead acknowledged each other. "Let US"..."in OUR image".
One Person saying that is ludicrous and mental.
They are.
Explain this "peril" that you speak of.
I guess you failed to recognize that I was quoting 2 Tim 1:12.
Has nothing to do with the point that you are wrong on.
With you referring to God in those terms...we are done here.
Of course....because I believe in the Trinity.
Now, are you willing to admit that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are one Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4)?
Nope.
I knew that you were quoting a scripture...however you were quoting it incorrectly if it does not apply to you. And you need to consider that possibility.
The creeds declare that if anyone is a Tritheist, they are outside the bounds of orthodoxy and do not have eternal life (from my memory of them).
Excellent point.
All we can do is point to God's word. If those wish to reject......it is beyond our capacity to achieve.
FreeGrace2 said:
You have it exactly backwards.
You have it exactly backwards.
You didn't read what I posted very clearly, did you.
FreeGrace2 said:
Gen 1:26 refutes your view.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Your god is schizophrenic.
And, since you can't defend yourself, backing out is best.
Gen 1:26 refutes your view.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Your god is schizophrenic.
Gen 1:26 has EVERYTHING to do with this. It proves your theory wrong.
Of course I'm not referring to God in those terms. I AM, however, referring to YOUR VIEW of Him in those terms.
And, since you can't defend yourself, backing out is best.
You keep going back and forth on your theory. How can they be "one Spirit" if they can be side by side?
I've heard of split personality, but how do you explain one Spirit being side by side with himself?
I do believe in water baptism but it is not saving, you have a problem in that Noah was saved not by the water but by being in the ark nor was sin washed away for soon he was naked and drunk and his son was even worse in that he mocked [and worse] his father's nakedness.
The power in Peter's reference is that baptism is an appeal to God for a good conscience, it is our testimony that we have believed God that judgement will come and we have fled to God for mercy just as Noah did, the resurrection of Jesus Christ [who is that ark] justifying our faith.
I have been in troubles when I have been obliged to remind God that I am His baptized child. And it is always good to remind the devil.
Paul is defo speaking about water bappo when he says "we have been buried with Christ and are raised up to walk in newness of life"
One is a Spirit without flesh and the other is the same Spirit dwelling in flesh.
Also, see below.
The Spirit descended into time and took on an added nature of human flesh. In doing so, He did not VACATE ETERNITY.
Then, from the perspective of time, Jesus (the Spirit become flesh) released His Spirit back into eternity (Luke 23:46). This was the same Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) who was God (John 4:24).
While water baptism in Jesus' Name does not remove the filth of the flesh (1 Peter 3:21), it does wash away sins (Acts 22:16).
You are describing separate Persons.
It seems you don't understand Luke 23:46. Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Again, we have Jesus speaking to His Father. They are separate Persons. Otherwise, you just have schizophrenia and Jesus talking to himself, which makes no sense.
Jesus wasn't releasing His Spirit into eternity, but rather was announcing His physical death.
No, again, 1 Pet 3:21 says that literal water (this water) symbolizes the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
When water is used, it is always a ritual and a symbol for something else.
We are saved by GRACE, not water. 
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
- Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
- Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)