Saved by faith alone?
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Okay, and again, when you finish I care and would consider adding it to the website.
Yes, agree obeying the voice of God is something we should want to do and not expect anything in return, but justification as I see it in the Bible is a status declared by God and is a singular event in time.
We do not earn our salvation by good works, but we are in fact ORDAINED by God to walk in good works meaning we can certainly disqualify ourselves from being accepted by the Lord if we turn away from Him walking after the flesh
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
What part of ORDAINED to walk in good works are you not understanding???
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Notice this is not in our own strength, not this is THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT (get you some Philippians 4:13)
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
No condemnation is only applicable to those abiding IN Christ walking after the Spirit.
Those walking after the flesh have become corrupt and are back under condemnation
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
As we see in Romans 6:16, we all have a choice to make!
Will we submit ourselves unto the Lord and remain saved? Or, will be submit ourselves to walking after the flesh having turned away from the Lord separating ourselves from Him?
In those cases, no the Lord did not forsake you... YOU forsook the Lord!
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
What part of ORDAINED to walk in good works are you not understanding???
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Notice this is not in our own strength, not this is THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT (get you some Philippians 4:13)
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
No condemnation is only applicable to those abiding IN Christ walking after the Spirit.
Those walking after the flesh have become corrupt and are back under condemnation
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
As we see in Romans 6:16, we all have a choice to make!
Will we submit ourselves unto the Lord and remain saved? Or, will be submit ourselves to walking after the flesh having turned away from the Lord separating ourselves from Him?
In those cases, no the Lord did not forsake you... YOU forsook the Lord!
That would be mocking God to sow and not expect anything in return.
God cannot be mocked - We shall reap what we sown, if we so to the flesh we reap corruption and if we sow to the Spirit we reap Zoe Life which we see in Galatians chapter 6
The Kingdom of God is built upon sowing and reap according to Jesus -
Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground
Romans 2:9-11
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.
You failed to agree with Jesus that God's Kingdom works on the seedtime harvest principle.
Jesus knows what He's talking about so it's OK to believe Him.
He does and you not so much since you think people can disqualify themselves after being accepted.
I suspect you are a returning member, from the ideas you hold and have posted, and if I am correct you are not someone I want to engage on any topic.
I don't think that, God's Word actually teaches that.
The false teachers claim one can live in sin and remain saved.
That's a lie of the devil which is explains why those following the false teachers live in sin bringing reproach upon the Lord.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us
Read it and weep!
Isn't everyday conversational slang & idiom amusing at times... Theology can be so serious.
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What does one mean by saved by faith alone? James flat out denies that. So, since the Bible says we are not justified by faith only, then I do not believe we are saved by faith only. And neither do I believe we are saved by works only. But the kinds of works in James 2 is different than the kinds of works Paul has in mind, because the works that James talks about justify, whereas the kinds that Paul talks about don’t.
It means we are saved when we place our faith in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation. Hence, saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and God imputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:6) Which is not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14)
Faith only (James 2:24) in context denies being justified by a bare profession of faith -- says/claims to have faith but has no works. We show our faith by our works. (James 2:14-18) James is not using the term "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) In Romans 5:1, Paul said we are justified by faith (not faith and works) hence, faith alone.
You believe we are saved by BOTH faith AND works but the Bible states we are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Elsewhere, Paul said God imputes righteousness apart from works (Romans 4:6) and not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us (Titus 3:5) and God saved us and called us with a holy calling not according to our works. (2 Timothy 1:9)
So, the saved by "these" works and just not "those" works argument is bogus. The harmony of Romans 4:2-3 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the believer as righteous. James, however, is using the term to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.
Yeah, people going to hell is apparently pretty funny to some people
You just contradicted yourself. On on hand you say it's faith alone, and then you claim an "empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14)" This is a great example of how followers of reformed theology are confused and are to be ignored.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The fact of the matter is God has ordained His people to walk in good works, but these would be works of the Holy Spirit thru us as we submit ourselves unto the Lord walking with Him bearing fruit.
This is quite different from someone who does not walk with the Lord doing good works on his own without the infilling of the Holy Spirit failing to live in submission unto the Lord which is prevalent among the followers of reformed theology people
That would be the faith of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.