Salvation: A doctrinal dilemma

[mailmandan]

You still have not proven anything.

I have proven everything but for the sake of accommodating your biased church doctrine, you stubbornly refuse to accept the truth. Even Greek scholar Daniel Wallace explains that the present tense in the Greek verb for "receives" in Acts 10:43 indicates continuous, ongoing action of receiving for forgiveness of sins. Acts 10 describes the conversion of Cornelius and his household, which complicates the Campbellite argument. Cornelius and his family received the gift of the Holy Spirit after believing but before water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) This demonstrates that God had accepted them on the basis of faith and their forgiveness was granted before water baptism.

Only the possibility of receiving the remission of sins. Don’t you think God was smart enough that if he wanted us to know remission of sins was by faith alone, he would have just said,” all those who believe have remission of sins (present tense)?

Multiple Bible translations render Acts 10:43 in the present tense, including the ESV, NIV, CSB, NASB, NRSV etc.. reflecting the ongoing nature of forgiveness for those who believe, which differs from versions like the KJV, which uses a future tense. Scholars who affirm the significance of the present tense include Thomas L. Stegall, Marvin Richardson Vincent Dr. Robert E. Picirilli and AT Robertson. Now if water baptism was absolutely necessary for salvation, then God would not have made so many statements in scripture in which He promises eternal life to those who simply BELIEVE. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11;25,26; Acts 4:4; 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-26; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Or all those who believe HAVE RECEIVED remission if sins? Past tense. Either way, THAT would show salvation by faith alone.

I already showed you salvation by faith alone, but you stubbornly refuse to see it.

But it does does not say THAT. It does not prove salvation by faith alone if you don’t have remission of sins yet.

Remission of sins is not delayed for believers, and I already proved salvation by faith alone. Again, these Gentiles in Acts 10 believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) This is crystal clear.

The question then becomes what does the Bible say about remission of sins? How do we receive it?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

The Holy Spirit tells us exactly how and when believers receive remission of sins—when they are baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21.

False. That is your eisegesis. The only Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

And that is in perfect harmony with Acts 10:43.

Absolutely false. Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

*Acts 10:43-47 remains your Achilles heel.

It says believers Will receive. remission of sins and Acts 2:38 tells us WHEN AND HOW they receive remission if sins.

Multiple translations read - everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Not a problem for me, but a big one for you.

Oh, the IRONY.

 

[DJT_47]

I have proven everything but for the sake of accommodating your biased church doctrine, you stubbornly refuse to accept the truth. Even Greek scholar Daniel Wallace explains that the present tense in the Greek verb for "receives" in Acts 10:43 indicates continuous, ongoing action of receiving for forgiveness of sins. Acts 10 describes the conversion of Cornelius and his household, which complicates the Campbellite argument. Cornelius and his family received the gift of the Holy Spirit after believing but before water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) This demonstrates that God had accepted them on the basis of faith and their forgiveness was granted before water baptism.

Multiple Bible translations render Acts 10:43 in the present tense, including the ESV, NIV, CSB, NASB, NRSV etc.. reflecting the ongoing nature of forgiveness for those who believe, which differs from versions like the KJV, which uses a future tense. Scholars who affirm the significance of the present tense include Thomas L. Stegall, Marvin Richardson Vincent Dr. Robert E. Picirilli and AT Robertson. Now if water baptism was absolutely necessary for salvation, then God would not have made so many statements in scripture in which He promises eternal life to those who simply BELIEVE. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11;25,26; Acts 4:4; 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-26; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

I already showed you salvation by faith alone, but you stubbornly refuse to see it.

Remission of sins is not delayed for believers, and I already proved salvation by faith alone. Again, these Gentiles in Acts 10 believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) This is crystal clear.

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

False. That is your eisegesis. The only Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

Absolutely false. Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

*Acts 10:43-47 remains your Achilles heel.

Multiple translations read - everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Oh, the IRONY.

Looney as usual

 

[mailmandan]

Looney as usual

Insult, but no sufficient rebuttal, as usual.

 

[mailmandan]

The indwelling of the Spirit (Acts 2:38) and the baptism by the Spirit (Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, Acts 2:2-4, Acts 10:44) are not the same thing. All baptized into Christ receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38), the indwelling of the Spirit, which is different than the falling of the Holy Ghost producing its manifestation.

That is a desperate attempt to "get around" the crystal-clear truth in Acts 10:43-47, which remains your Achilles heel. The fact remains that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

 

[DJT_47]

That is a desperate attempt to "get around" the crystal-clear truth in Acts 10:43-47, which remains your Achilles heel. The fact remains that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

You don't understand the difference between the indwelling of the Spirit versus the falling of the Spirit. When the Spirit fell on the 11 in Acts 2 and on Cornelius in Acts 10, that was a manifestation of the Spirit and not the same as the receiving the gift of the Spirit itself, the indwelling in Acts 2:38. Acts 2:38 is an example of being baptized into the body of Christ by which you receive the Spirit itself, not a manifestation of it, a gift from it after received, and become a member of the body, the church, and a Christian and child of God. That's why Cornelius still had to be baptized into Christ as he and his were not yet part of the body of Christ and still in sin. Romans 6 also discusses being baptized into Christ, which is not having the Spirit miraculously fall on you which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

 

[GWH]

Salvation: A doctrinal dilemma

Salvation: how is one saved according to scripture? See below. Do you just pick and choose one of the below scriptures (KJV) you like the best, accept and adopt it as your personal doctrine, and ignore the rest? Aren't they all right? Can or does scripture conflict with scripture, or can one scripture have preeminence over another? Or, are all somehow correct, and if so, how is that possible?

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:31

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:9-10

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Acts 3:19

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Romans 8:24

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Ephesians 2:8

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Yes, all NT Scriptures regarding salvation are correct, and the different descriptions are comparable to describing an elephant
from various angles, but it is possible to combine them into a unified creed.

 

[tablet123]

Salvation: A doctrinal dilemma

Salvation: how is one saved according to scripture? See below. Do you just pick and choose one of the below scriptures (KJV) you like the best, accept and adopt it as your personal doctrine, and ignore the rest? Aren't they all right? Can or does scripture conflict with scripture, or can one scripture have preeminence over another? Or, are all somehow correct, and if so, how is that possible?

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:31

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:9-10

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Acts 3:19

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Romans 8:24

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Ephesians 2:8

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If we allow the Spirit to lead us and do not want to sin we can abstain from sin.

So there is no excuse.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Every person that confesses Christ has to depart from iniquity and this is what seals the saints.

So confessing Jesus as Savior has the requirement to abstain from sin attached to it.

For they should have the understanding of what repenting of their sins means which is to turn away from sins and stop sinning which they can do it if they allow the Spirit to lead them.

And there is no excuse.

You cannot say you are saved because you confess Christ and have faith for there is more to it than that.

Which is to have a Christlike lifestyle.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Charity, love in action, is greater than faith.

And faith works by love.

And we are saved by grace through faith.

No love then no faith then no grace then no salvation.

1Co 13:5 thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

Love does not think an evil thought, and does not want to sin, but abstains from sin by the Spirit.

There is the requirement when a person confesses Christ, and say they have faith, that they have to stop sinning by the Spirit.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Some people do not allow the Spirit to lead them.

And love sin more than God.

They say we are saved by faith alone and that they cannot abstain from sin.

Which they do not come to the truth.

Many people lack considering the truth of what it means to confess Christ, and have faith.

Being led of the Spirit abstaining from sin is attached to it.

For everyone that names the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity.

They hold unto sin and believe they are saved.

But if a person holds on to sin the blood of Christ cannot wash it away for God will not take a sin away they hold on to.

Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

For those people who did understand the truth and abided by it if they go back to sinning and do not correct it they will not be saved.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

A person can fall from faith.

But many people never had faith from the get go because they did not come to the truth.

We are in the flesh so we have the capability to sin if we want.

If we sin we have to repent of it and not want it anymore allowing the Spirit to lead us.

God knows the heart.

Repentance is not repenting after the sin but holding on to the sin.

We need to have the right belief that we are not saved if we do not want to abstain from sin.

Not say we are saved by faith alone and we cannot abstain from sin.

Sin if you want although you should not but acknowledge the truth.

But with sinning comes the risk of losing out on salvation for what may happen.

 

[mailmandan]

You don't understand the difference between the indwelling of the Spirit versus the falling of the Spirit. When the Spirit fell on the 11 in Acts 2 and on Cornelius in Acts 10, that was a manifestation of the Spirit and not the same as the receiving the gift of the Spirit itself, the indwelling in Acts 2:38. Acts 2:38 is an example of being baptized into the body of Christ by which you receive the Spirit itself, not a manifestation of it, a gift from it after received, and become a member of the body, the church, and a Christian and child of God. That's why Cornelius still had to be baptized into Christ as he and his were not yet part of the body of Christ and still in sin. Romans 6 also discusses being baptized into Christ, which is not having the Spirit miraculously fall on you which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Regardless of what your view is on the Holy Spirit falling on them or manifestation of the Spirit, Acts 10:45 clearly states - the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also (compare with the gift of the Holy Spirit) in Acts 2:38 as well. So, in addition to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, these Gentiles in Acts 10 also spoken tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12) and this all took place BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:43-47) So, your argument is waterlogged.

In regard to Romans 6, baptized into Christ does not mean water baptized into the body of Christ. That is accomplished through Spirit baptism. (1 Corinthians 12:13) Now in what "sense" would a believer be "water" baptized into Christ? In the same "sense" that the Israelites were "baptized into Moses.." (1 Corinthians 10:2)

The Israelites were not literally water baptized into the body of Moses here and there is little dispute that being "baptized into Moses" signified the open allegiance and public identification of the Israelites with Moses as their leader. Moses was formally recognized as the leader of the covenant people. Water baptism signifies our allegiance and public identification with Christ as our Savior, so it would only be in that "sense."

 

[Blade]

I was going to say.. when it comes to the lost as another pointed out ..there is no dilemma. Its man and the enemy that add to this as in confusion, doubt, worry, fear unbelief. Peter told them.. sinners "“Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "

See this was said when there was no NT. Nothing to add to this.. just do it and you will be saved.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Peter told them.. sinners "“Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "

See this was said when there was no NT. Nothing to add to this.. just do it and you will be saved.

Precious friend, I would like "to just do as you say", however, there is a dilemma of
Confusion and Conflict with the interpretations OF Different gospels and messages
of Peter vs Paul:

I have decided to follow Jesus?
+
Agreement With The Gospel?

Be Blessed!

 

[PaulThomson]

Instead of approaching biblical scripture with wondering how much is true, approach them with the disposition that none of it is a lie.

If you are referring to translations of the Greek, Chaldee and Hebrew biblical texts "biblical scripture", then why would you adopt a disposition that none of those translations are a lie? Do you really think the Holy Spirit inspired every Bible translator in history?

 

[Ceph]

If you are referring to translations of the Greek, Chaldee and Hebrew biblical texts "biblical scripture", then why would you adopt a disposition that none of those translations are a lie? Do you really think the Holy Spirit inspired every Bible translator in history?

What profit does that train of thought gain? The Holy Spirit tells you what's a lie or not.
If it doesn't conflict with any of Gods plans, prophets testimony, or observable knowledge of the things that are, how could it be?

 

[Ceph]

What profit does that train of thought gain? The Holy Spirit tells you what's a lie or not.
If it doesn't conflict with any of Gods plans, prophets testimony, or observable knowledge of the things that are, how could it be?

Well, this might not be good to say, because there are subtle distortions of the text that exist:

But the way I understand it is, word that sticks with you and you recall to memory when you think about God, and words that inspire you about God, and passes when tested by the Holy Spirit, such words have no reason to be doubted.

 

[PaulThomson]

What profit does that train of thought gain? The Holy Spirit tells you what's a lie or not.
If it doesn't conflict with any of Gods plans, prophets testimony, or observable knowledge of the things that are, how could it be?

There are many people who claim to put the words of God above every other proposed source of truth, and will spend vast amounts of time arguing zealously that what they think they see in their preferred translation of the Bible is inspired, but have no interest in learning to read the Bible in its original form so as to discern which translations of texts are reliable and which inferences the are drawing from their translations are sound, or to draw out the meaning directly from the actual inspired words.

Do such people really honour God's word? Creating enmity between and going into vindictive battle against other Christ-followers over doctrines derived from flawed understanding of what God actually said speaking in Hebrew, Greek and Chaldee.

 

[rogerg]

Salvation: A doctrinal dilemma

Salvation: how is one saved according to scripture? See below. Do you just pick and choose one of the below scriptures (KJV) you like the best, accept and adopt it as your personal doctrine, and ignore the rest? Aren't they all right? Can or does scripture conflict with scripture, or can one scripture have preeminence over another? Or, are all somehow correct, and if so, how is that possible?

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:31

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:9-10

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Acts 3:19

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Romans 8:24

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Ephesians 2:8

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Salvation is given only one way: as a free gift through/by Jesus Christ alone as Savior. Man, therefore, cannot give it to himself regardless of any actions they might try to undertake.

 

[Ceph]

There are many people who claim to put the words of God above every other proposed source of truth, and will spend vast amounts of time arguing zealously that what they think they see in their preferred translation of the Bible is inspired, but have no interest in learning to read the Bible in its original form so as to discern which translations of texts are reliable and which inferences the are drawing from their translations are sound, or to draw out the meaning directly from the actual inspired words.

Do such people really honour God's word? Creating enmity between and going into vindictive battle against other Christ-followers over doctrines derived from flawed understanding of what God actually said speaking in Hebrew, Greek and Chaldee.

If a man believes in Jesus Christ and desires to do Gods will, he will know what the bible says regardless of its language.

 

[PaulThomson]

If a man believes in Jesus Christ and desires to do Gods will, he will know what the bible says regardless of its language.

So, why is it that so many who desire to do God's will, disagree in their understanding of what the Bible says?

I don't think you are accurately citing scripture there, btw.

 

[DJT_47]

Salvation is given only one way: as a free gift through/by Jesus Christ alone as Savior. Man, therefore, cannot give it to himself regardless of any actions they might try to undertake.

So, no one has to do anything at all and the free gift was given to everyone, everywhere, automatically?

 

[Ceph]

So, why is it that so many who desire to do God's will, disagree in their understanding of what the Bible says?

I don't think you are accurately citing scripture there, btw.

The bible says to love one another, even as Jesus loves us. One who doesn't love their brother doesn't do Gods will.
It is written that the church should be in one mind towards the scriptures.

 

[rogerg]

So, no one has to do anything at all and the free gift was given to everyone, everywhere, automatically?

No, nothing and not to everyone. It is freely given through Jesus Christ only unto those that He chose for salvation from before the foundation of the world. All attributes of salvation become manifested into someone from/by that. Jesus Christ alone is the Savior, not man.