Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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And as Jesus sat upon the mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately, and asked him 3 questions:

1) when shall the temple be destroyed?
2) what shall be the sign of thy coming? (Coming in judgment against Jerusalem, or coming at the resurrection? They didn't know enough to be able specify which)
3) what shall be the sign of the end of the world age? (End of which age? The age of natural Israel or the age of the gentiles? They didn't know enough to be able specify which)
You don't know what age is ending? Seriously?

Mat 12:32
“Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mar 10:30
“who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.

Luk 18:30
“who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Heb 6:5
and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

Eph 1:21
far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
 
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Nobody murdered Jesus God....it's fundamentally impossible. The ONLY way God dies is if He wills it so.

Yes they PLOTTED His death, but certainly did NOT get the job done.

Furthermore, Jesus was utterly totally in control of His owns death, burial and resurrection. Not only that He resurrected Himself!

Jhn 10:17 - Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
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10:18 - No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.[/QUOTE]


How do people miss foundational doctrines like that? You learn in Sunday school that Jesus chose to die for our sins. That's why you can't accuse the Jews of deicide. And that's also why the hymns are so important, because many of them had our founding doctrines within them. "He could have called 10,000 angels, To destroy the world and set Him free. He could have called ten thousand angels, But He died alone for you and me."
 
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What caused his death. Why do you dance around a simple direct question? Surely you see a hole in the theology of the abomination of desolation was the death of Christ. Which would change the narrative of the conversation.
In fact Jesus himself answered this whole thing without spiritualising showing who he was.
This should be Christianity 101 for many but it really seems to be ignored in order to project false beliefs.


Taught in Sunday school. smh I grew up in church, I'm astonished there are people who actually believe Christ was murdered. smh
 
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As I predicted earlier, despising Israel can only lead to a state of desperate stygian darkness in the matter of eschatology.


And this is why these threads are so hateful. Because it comes from hate. But a Christian can't hate, so they twist Scripture to deny it. Really it's God who turned His back on the Jews, not us. See how easy that was? smh
 
The only reason they become hateful is because a few certain people accuse others of hate. Eschatological and theological disagreements are not hate, but false accusations of hate are of the devil
 
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The only reason they become hateful is because a few certain people accuse others of hate. Eschatological and theological disagreements are not hate, but false accusations of hate are of the devil


I have been called names, my user name has been mocked, my family was attacked by a troll they finally banned. Been called everything that is allowed here. And it's only on these subjects does it get so ugly. I don't accuse anyone of hate. But when someone is using Antisemitic talking points then I call that out. You would do the same if I was here using racist talking points. You would be correct to call me out.
 
The only reason they become hateful is because a few certain people accuse others of hate. Eschatological and theological disagreements are not hate, but false accusations of hate are of the devil
Yes that is a sad trajectory. OK back to business.
Tell me how this is supposed to relate to the crucifixion or 70AD when the Temple was destroyed.

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“Standing” — ἑστὸς

  • Perfect active participle of ἵστημι
  • Masculine nominative singular
  • Means “having been set up / standing”

The perfect participle indicates a state resulting from a completed action:


“the abomination… standing in the holy place”

It describes the condition that will exist at that future time when they see it.

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Jesus says:
“the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel”

Daniel defines that abomination as:

Stopping Temple sacrifices (9:27) (a brazen act of infamy by a God blaspheming enemy)

Profaning the sanctuary (11:31) (a brazen act of infamy by a God blaspheming enemy.

Removing the daily offering (12:11) (a brazen act of infamy by a God blaspheming enemy.

Therefore:
The “abomination” in Daniel is inseparably tied to:

The Temple cult

The sanctuary

The altar

So when Jesus invokes Daniel’s abomination and says:
“standing in holy place”

He is pointing back to a Danielic event that is explicitly sanctuary-centered.
 
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Mathew 24:15.....(whoso readeth, let him understand:)
That's right.

Dan 12:10 - Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel’s vision was sealed because the full picture (Christ/The Church) wasn't yet revealed.

The "unsealing" happened for the Church (the "wise" who understand, per Daniel 12:10).

The Jews may remain in that "sealed" state regarding these specific messianic timelines until the judicial veil mentioned by Paul in Rome 11:25 is lifted.
 
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Which is what happened when the zealots barricaded themselves inside the temple

"According to Josephus, Ananus ben Ananus delivered a speech at a public assembly in Jerusalem, condemning the population for tolerating the rise of the Zealots, whom he called "tyrants." He rebuked the people for remaining silent when the city's nobles were murdered without trial and warned that the rebels had turned the Temple—the most sacred place—into a fortress.[10] Evoking past struggles against foreign domination, Ananus questioned why those who had fought for liberty now submitted to homegrown oppression.[10] He contrasted the restraint of the Romans, who had not violated the sanctuary, with the bloodstained rebels who roamed freely within it
"As Ananus began mobilizing fighters, the Zealots, realizing the threat, launched a furious counterattack from within the Temple.[10] The skirmish began with the belligerents throwing rocks at one another, then javelins, then finally hand-to-hand combat with swords ensued.[10] Eventually the Zealots retreated to the inner court of the Temple, and The moderates' superior numbers eventually forced the Zealots to retreat into the inner court of the Temple, where they fortified themselves."​

Zealot coup in Jerusalem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot_coup_in_Jerusalem

I read the Wikipedia account too.

I would also be interested to know your take on Zechariah 14 if you don't mind.
Here the prediction:

Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem;

This comes after the "living waters" (I think gospel) of v.8, the kingdom of Christ in v.9 and an introduction to an invincible (I think heavenly) Jerusalem in v.11 and 12.

Do you think v.14 is about the event that you described?
 
The only reason they become hateful is because a few certain people accuse others of hate. Eschatological and theological disagreements are not hate, but false accusations of hate are of the devil
Ok. So don't hate the redemption of the Jews.

In a very direct sense, the majority of the names in the latter half of Christ’s genealogy are "Babylonian Jews."

To understand why, we have to look at the "Genealogy of the Exile" provided in Matthew 1:12. Sir Robert Anderson emphasizes that the Messianic title "Messiah the Prince" depends entirely on the legal right to the throne of David, which was preserved in Babylon during the 70-year captivity.

1. The "Exile" Pivot Point
Matthew 1:11–12 marks the transition:
"And Josiah begat Jeconiah and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begat Shealtiel; and Shealtiel begat Zerubbabel..."
The Notable Babylonian Descendants:
Jeconiah (Jehoiachin): He was the last reigning King of Judah to be taken to Babylon. While in prison there, he was eventually released and given a seat of honor at the King of Babylon's table (2 Kings 25:27–30).
Shealtiel: His name literally means "I have asked of God" (likely referring to being born in captivity). He was born and raised in Babylon.
Zerubbabel: The most famous "Babylonian Jew" in the line. His name means "Seed of Babylon" or "Born in Babylon."

2. Zerubbabel: The Bridge
Zerubbabel is the crucial figure for your question. He was the grandson of the king, born in Mesopotamia, and served in the Persian court. When the decree of Cyrus went forth, he left his "successful" life in Babylon to lead the first wave of 42,360 Jews back to Jerusalem.
In Christ’s Genealogy: * In Matthew (the legal line through Joseph), Zerubbabel is the descendant of Solomon.
In Luke (the biological line through Mary), a Zerubbabel is also mentioned.
Note: Most scholars, including Anderson, see Zerubbabel as the vital link that proves the Davidic line survived the "melting pot" of Babylon intact.

3. The "Silent Names" (Matthew 1:13–16)
After Zerubbabel, Matthew lists names like Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Achim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, and Jacob.
Historical context tells us that during the centuries between the "7 weeks" and the "62 weeks" (the 434-year period), the Jewish people were constantly moving between the thriving community in Babylon and the struggling outpost in Jerusalem. Many of these ancestors lived during the time when the "intellectual center" was still in the East.

4. Why this mattered to Sir Robert Anderson
Anderson argues that for Jesus to be "Messiah the Prince," His genealogy had to be publicly verifiable.
The "Babylonian" portion of the genealogy proves that:
The Record survived: Even in a foreign land, the Jews kept meticulous genealogical scrolls (as evidenced by Ezra 2, where those who couldn't prove their lineage were barred from the priesthood).
The Legal Right survived: Even though the "crown" was removed, the "right" to the crown remained with the descendants of the Babylonian exiles.
 
Futurism has ALL of the right answers. And the crucifixion led to the ASCENSION and the Church Age.
Not the time of Jacobs trouble, nor the Return (IMMEDIATELY AFTER).
The crucifixion DID however fulfill these "UNTIL" statements.

So now the ball is in your court. Explain if you can these crucial UNTIL statements.

Act 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Act 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

"UNTIL" is a good word for a futurist, and I do not blame you for cashing in on it.
The problem is that you are only proving something about yourself.
You are loyal to the futurist story, and therefore insert in into the word whenever it appears.

Examples:

1.A Jew can see Jesus and say "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the lord" at any time and in any place, yet the futurist has a set idea on where and when it happens simultaneously.
2. The futurist thinks he knows what happens when the "times of the Gentiles" are fulfilled and that is inserted into "until".
You only communicate with others who already share your opinion and teach nothing to the rest of us.
3. Romans 11 teaches that God has reserved a remnant of Paul's relatives who will believe in Jesus.
We are not told the time and place that this will happen.
One man may be provoked to jealousy and to belief in a different time from another.
To the futurist this is all a story about an earthly nation, not about individuals.
The story is imposed on the word "until" regardless of what the text says.
 
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I read the Wikipedia account too.

I would also be interested to know your take on Zechariah 14 if you don't mind.
Here the prediction:

Zechariah 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem;

This comes after the "living waters" (I think gospel) of v.8, the kingdom of Christ in v.9 and an introduction to an invincible (I think heavenly) Jerusalem in v.11 and 12.

Do you think v.14 is about the event that you described?

I believe starting with verse 9 pertains to the lord's 2nd coming, or possibly even starting with the last sentence of verse 5. Zechariah was a very enigmatic prophet so his prophecies have to be approached very carefully. But as you know from the link I shared with you earlier, I'm 100% convinced verses 1-5 (except the last sentence of verse 5) have already happened.
 
"UNTIL" is a good word for a futurist, and I do not blame you for cashing in on it.
The problem is that you are only proving something about yourself.
You are loyal to the futurist story, and therefore insert in into the word whenever it appears.

Examples:

1.A Jew can see Jesus and say "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the lord" at any time and in any place, yet the futurist has a set idea on where and when it happens simultaneously.
2. The futurist thinks he knows what happens when the "times of the Gentiles" are fulfilled and that is inserted into "until".
You only communicate with others who already share your opinion and teach nothing to the rest of us.
3. Romans 11 teaches that God has reserved a remnant of Paul's relatives who will believe in Jesus.
We are not told the time and place that this will happen.
One man may be provoked to jealousy and to belief in a different time from another.
To the futurist this is all a story about an earthly nation, not about individuals.
The story is imposed on the word "until" regardless of what the text says.
How often does the Lord exhort us to know the "times" and seasons?
And to hear (and rightly understand) the words of His prophets?
Let me help you: CONSTANTLY, furthermore, the penalty of willful ignorance or denial is dire indeed.

Oh and BTW, these statement concatenate flawlessly with the "UNTIL" statements.
All of this to say that YES, the "futurists" are the wise who understand.

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Mat 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

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Luk 19:41
Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it,

Luk 19:42
saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.

Luk 19:43
“For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side,

Luk 19:44
“and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
 
The reason that some in Israel did know the time of visitation is because Daniel prophesied that it would be 483 years from a certain point in time known to Israel until Christ's appearance.
 
"UNTIL" is a good word for a futurist, and I do not blame you for cashing in on it.
The problem is that you are only proving something about yourself.
You are loyal to the futurist story, and therefore insert in into the word whenever it appears.

"Until" still is understood in the future of the audience who heard the message.
So it proves nothing for the Scofield futurist.
 
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The reason that some in Israel did know the time of visitation is because Daniel prophesied that it would be 483 years from a certain point in time known to Israel until Christ's appearance.
"Oh and BTW, these statement concatenate flawlessly with the "UNTIL" statements."

So why then have you chosen to refuse to follow this pattern to its prophetic conclusion:
The "awakening", "reanimating" and redemption and service of the Nation Israel.

[Eze 37:1-6, 9-14 KJV]
1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which [was] full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, [there were] very many in the open valley; and, lo, [they were] very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD. ...

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD.

Eze 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
 
"Until" still is understood in the future of the audience who heard the message.
So it proves nothing for the Scofield futurist.
On the contrary, it proves everything. Perfectly.
Oh and BTW, I see that you cannot provide the least scriptural support for your opinions.
Whereas I can effortlessly provide massive comprehensive Biblical support for mine!