They're following the beliefs of rabbinic Judaism. That's where Darby's ideas came from.
Yes that makes sense.
They're following the beliefs of rabbinic Judaism. That's where Darby's ideas came from.
Do you know and understand the 7 appointed times, the 7 feasts of Moses?Joel's prophecy is more than a double fulfillment. It hasn't stopped being fulfilled since it started nearly 2000 years ago at Pentecost. The earthly wonders and signs are just a small and insignificant part of that by comparison
Where is your proof? Where is your caseload?They're following the beliefs of rabbinic Judaism. That's where Darby's ideas came from.
Easily disproven. The return from Babylon was a tiny fraction of the Jews resident in Babylon.Isa 11:11-12 has already happened starting with Judah's return to the land from Babylon and continuing with the outcasts (lost sheep) of Israel's return for centuries afterward culminating at Pentecost.
Prophesied
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:11-12Fulfilled
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8-11
The large-scale return of Jews to Israel after 1948 was driven by a combination of persecution, ideology, state policy, and geopolitical upheaval.Easily disproven. The return from Babylon was a tiny fraction of the Jews resident in Babylon.
The Jews continued to live there in Babylon and built an enduring civilization. Read history much?
The REAL and massive "return" only happened after 1948, after Israel was reestablished. FACT.
After Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire conquered Babylon in 539 BC, he issued a decree allowing exiled peoples — including the Jews — to return and rebuild their temples (recorded in the Book of Ezra).
The first wave, led by Zerubbabel, is recorded in Ezra 2:
42,360 free persons
Plus 7,337 servants
Plus singers and others
So roughly 50,000 people returned in the first wave.
Later Returns
A second group returned under Ezra around 458 BC.
A third group came with Nehemiah around 445 BC.
These added several thousand more, but still not massive numbers.
So What Fraction Was That?
Estimates of the total Jewish population in Babylonia vary, but most historians believe:
Hundreds of thousands of Jews were living in Mesopotamia by the end of the exile.
The returnees likely represented a small minority — perhaps 10–20% at most, possibly even less.
Many Jews had:
Built homes
Established businesses
Become integrated into Babylonian/Persian society
For many, returning to a ruined and economically weak Jerusalem was risky and unattractive.
Important Result
Because most Jews did not return, large Jewish communities remained in:
Babylonia (which later became a major center of Judaism)
Persia
Eventually throughout the diaspora
In fact, centuries later the great rabbinic center that produced the Babylonian Talmud was still in Mesopotamia — not Jerusalem.
In fact, centuries later the great rabbinic center that produced the Babylonian Talmud was still in Mesopotamia — not Jerusalem.
“And you shall bring two loaves of bread, made of fine flour, baked with leaven, as a wave offering to the LORD.”The 2 loaves of the wave offering at Pentecost were the shadow, or type, of both Jew and gentile being joined together in one body in Christ through the spirit. They together represent the two-fold witness of law and grace. Being waved together before God was a witness that the wall between them had been removed ushering in for the human race a jubilee (50 days after the resurrection) of freedom from sin and debt.
Prove it. If you can. I am waiting.Which is where your dispensational beliefs come from
Which is where your dispensational beliefs come from
Oh and another obvious fact:The 2 loaves of the wave offering at Pentecost were the shadow, or type, of both Jew and gentile being joined together in one body in Christ through the spirit. They together represent the two-fold witness of law and grace. Being waved together before God was a witness that the wall between them had been removed ushering in for the human race a jubilee (50 days after the resurrection) of freedom from sin and debt.
Wrong again. You see, Ezekiel 37 is illustrating a drawn-out SEQUENCE of phenomena.Now you know/understand why modern-day Israel cannot possibly be 'true' biblical 'prophetic' Israel - that is, 'prophetic' in a modern-day timeframe.
Nope. Christ rose on the 17th Nisan, the day of the feast of Firstfruits, fulfilling THAT feast day. The early Spring feast ingathering.The day of atonement began to be fulfilled when Christ ascended to the throne of God twice to present his sacrificial blood for himself and his people; to make reconciliation for his peoples' sins for the past nearly 2000 years; and will reach it's fullness when the high priest emerges from the holiest place to banish the scapegoat alive into the lake of fire.
“And you shall bring two loaves of bread, made of fine flour, baked with leaven, as a wave offering to the LORD.”
— Leviticus 23:17–20
I favor the interpretation that the two loaves are representing the two houses of Israel (Judah and Ephraim) joined together.
This due to the fact that Joel is so very Israel-centric.
About how Christ is dealing with Israel.....That's an interesting idea. We have to remember, though, that the 7 feasts are about Christ, not Israel, and that includes his body.
It is 6th feast day of the Hebrew calendar. Hebrew.I think it's a bit ridiculous to deny that every aspect of the day of atonement, except for the scapegoat, has been occurring for the past nearly 2000 years. That what fulfillment means
That passage has no bearing on the fact of the inevitable redemption of the Nation Israel.Dispensationalism produces a schism in its adherents' minds. A double-mind cannot clearly perceive Christ
- - - - - A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1:8