Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Joel's prophecy is more than a double fulfillment. It hasn't stopped being fulfilled since it started nearly 2000 years ago at Pentecost. The earthly wonders and signs are just a small and insignificant part of that by comparison
Do you know and understand the 7 appointed times, the 7 feasts of Moses?
Few of those in todays Church do I'm afraid.

Well, you see, Acts 2 (Pentecost) was an initial "wave offering" (OF ISRAEL) of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, a Spring feast, fulfilling Joel 2:28-29.

However, the main ingathering OF ISRAEL will occur in the Fall feast, these all pointing to the 70th week of Daniel and the Day of the Lord. Fulfilling Joel 2:30-32. This of course is when the cataclysmic "end time" (actually "beginning time") cosmic signs and wonders take place.

Yes, the Gentiles are blessed along with believing Israelites during the present Church age, and a massive harvest is gathered.
Yet the precedent noted in Romans 1:16 stands unassailable.

Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
 
Isa 11:11-12 has already happened starting with Judah's return to the land from Babylon and continuing with the outcasts (lost sheep) of Israel's return for centuries afterward culminating at Pentecost.

Prophesied

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:11-12
Fulfilled
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8-11
Easily disproven. The return from Babylon was a tiny fraction of the Jews resident in Babylon.
The Jews continued to live there in Babylon and built an enduring civilization. Read history much?
The REAL and massive "return" only happened after 1948, after Israel was reestablished. FACT.

After Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire conquered Babylon in 539 BC, he issued a decree allowing exiled peoples — including the Jews — to return and rebuild their temples (recorded in the Book of Ezra).

The first wave, led by Zerubbabel, is recorded in Ezra 2:
42,360 free persons
Plus 7,337 servants
Plus singers and others
So roughly 50,000 people returned in the first wave.

Later Returns
A second group returned under Ezra around 458 BC.
A third group came with Nehemiah around 445 BC.
These added several thousand more, but still not massive numbers.

So What Fraction Was That?
Estimates of the total Jewish population in Babylonia vary, but most historians believe:

Hundreds of thousands of Jews were living in Mesopotamia by the end of the exile.
The returnees likely represented a small minority — perhaps 10–20% at most, possibly even less.

Many Jews had:
Built homes
Established businesses
Become integrated into Babylonian/Persian society
For many, returning to a ruined and economically weak Jerusalem was risky and unattractive.

Important Result
Because most Jews did not return, large Jewish communities remained in:
Babylonia (which later became a major center of Judaism)
Persia
Eventually throughout the diaspora

In fact, centuries later the great rabbinic center that produced the Babylonian Talmud was still in Mesopotamia — not Jerusalem.
 
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Easily disproven. The return from Babylon was a tiny fraction of the Jews resident in Babylon.
The Jews continued to live there in Babylon and built an enduring civilization. Read history much?
The REAL and massive "return" only happened after 1948, after Israel was reestablished. FACT.

After Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid Empire conquered Babylon in 539 BC, he issued a decree allowing exiled peoples — including the Jews — to return and rebuild their temples (recorded in the Book of Ezra).

The first wave, led by Zerubbabel, is recorded in Ezra 2:
42,360 free persons
Plus 7,337 servants
Plus singers and others
So roughly 50,000 people returned in the first wave.

Later Returns
A second group returned under Ezra around 458 BC.
A third group came with Nehemiah around 445 BC.
These added several thousand more, but still not massive numbers.

So What Fraction Was That?
Estimates of the total Jewish population in Babylonia vary, but most historians believe:

Hundreds of thousands of Jews were living in Mesopotamia by the end of the exile.
The returnees likely represented a small minority — perhaps 10–20% at most, possibly even less.

Many Jews had:
Built homes
Established businesses
Become integrated into Babylonian/Persian society
For many, returning to a ruined and economically weak Jerusalem was risky and unattractive.

Important Result
Because most Jews did not return, large Jewish communities remained in:
Babylonia (which later became a major center of Judaism)
Persia
Eventually throughout the diaspora

In fact, centuries later the great rabbinic center that produced the Babylonian Talmud was still in Mesopotamia — not Jerusalem.
The large-scale return of Jews to Israel after 1948 was driven by a combination of persecution, ideology, state policy, and geopolitical upheaval.


Here’s the breakdown:




1️⃣ The Holocaust (Primary Catalyst)​


The murder of six million Jews in Europe during The Holocaust fundamentally changed everything.


After 1945:


  • Hundreds of thousands of survivors were displaced.
  • Many had no homes to return to.
  • Antisemitism continued in Eastern Europe (e.g., the 1946 Kielce pogrom in Poland).
  • Western countries severely limited immigration.

For many survivors, a Jewish homeland seemed like the only secure future.




2️⃣ Creation of the State of Israel (Political Legitimacy)​


In 1948, the State of Israel was declared after the UN Partition Plan.


  • United Nations voted in 1947 to partition Mandatory Palestine.
  • On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion declared independence.
  • Israel passed the Law of Return (1950) granting automatic citizenship to Jews worldwide.

For the first time in 2,000 years, Jews had a state explicitly inviting them home.




3️⃣ Expulsion and Pressure in Arab Countries​


Between 1948–1970, around 850,000 Jews left or were expelled from Arab and Muslim-majority countries.


Major departures from:


  • Iraq
  • Yemen
  • Egypt
  • Morocco
  • Libya

After the 1948 Arab–Israeli war:


  • Anti-Jewish riots erupted in several countries.
  • Property was confiscated.
  • Citizenship was revoked in some cases.
  • Jews faced increasing legal and social discrimination.

Many of these communities had existed for over 2,000 years — yet most vanished within a generation.


Roughly 600,000–700,000 of these Jews went to Israel.


This was not gradual migration — it was often rapid evacuation (e.g., airlifts from Yemen and Iraq).




4️⃣ Soviet and Eastern Bloc Restrictions​


Jews in the USSR faced:


  • Severe religious suppression
  • Cultural repression
  • Discrimination in universities and employment

Large-scale emigration became possible only in the 1970s and especially after 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed.


Over 1 million former Soviet Jews eventually moved to Israel.




5️⃣ Zionist Ideology​


Modern political Zionism, influenced by thinkers like Theodor Herzl in the late 19th century, argued:


  • Jews would never be fully safe as minorities.
  • Only national self-determination could guarantee security.

After the Holocaust, this idea gained overwhelming legitimacy among Jews worldwide.


For many, immigration wasn’t just escape — it was fulfillment of a historical return.




6️⃣ Economic & Nation-Building Opportunity​


Israel actively recruited immigrants:


  • Subsidized housing
  • Jobs
  • Language training (ulpan)
  • National mobilization ethos

In early Israel, immigrants were seen as essential for survival — demographically and economically.




📊 The Scale​


Israel’s Jewish population:


  • 1948: ~650,000
  • 1951: ~1.4 million (more than doubled in 3 years)

This is one of the fastest proportional immigration waves in modern history.
 
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The 2 loaves of the wave offering at Pentecost were the shadow, or type, of both Jew and gentile being joined together in one body in Christ through the spirit. They together represent the two-fold witness of law and grace. Being waved together before God was a witness that the wall between them had been removed ushering in for the human race a jubilee (50 days after the resurrection) of freedom from sin and debt.
 
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The 2 loaves of the wave offering at Pentecost were the shadow, or type, of both Jew and gentile being joined together in one body in Christ through the spirit. They together represent the two-fold witness of law and grace. Being waved together before God was a witness that the wall between them had been removed ushering in for the human race a jubilee (50 days after the resurrection) of freedom from sin and debt.
“And you shall bring two loaves of bread, made of fine flour, baked with leaven, as a wave offering to the LORD.”
— Leviticus 23:17–20

I favor the interpretation that the two loaves are representing the two houses of Israel (Judah and Ephraim) joined together.
This due to the fact that Joel is so very Israel-centric.
 
The 2 loaves of the wave offering at Pentecost were the shadow, or type, of both Jew and gentile being joined together in one body in Christ through the spirit. They together represent the two-fold witness of law and grace. Being waved together before God was a witness that the wall between them had been removed ushering in for the human race a jubilee (50 days after the resurrection) of freedom from sin and debt.
Oh and another obvious fact:

The Fall feasts HAVE NOT yet been fulfilled prophetically.
Even the staunchest Jew-denier cannot say otherwise!

And of course, these fall feasts concatenate with the 70th week of Danial and the DOTL.

UNDENIABLE FACT.
 
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Now you know/understand why modern-day Israel cannot possibly be 'true' biblical 'prophetic' Israel - that is, 'prophetic' in a modern-day timeframe.
Wrong again. You see, Ezekiel 37 is illustrating a drawn-out SEQUENCE of phenomena.
Verse 23 is the intended END POINT of said sequence.

Eze 37:21
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Eze 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations (see the "two loaves" of Weeks), neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Eze 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
 
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The day of atonement began to be fulfilled when Christ ascended to the throne of God twice to present his sacrificial blood for himself and his people; to make reconciliation for his peoples' sins for the past nearly 2000 years; and will reach it's fullness when the high priest emerges from the holiest place to banish the scapegoat alive into the lake of fire.
 
The day of atonement began to be fulfilled when Christ ascended to the throne of God twice to present his sacrificial blood for himself and his people; to make reconciliation for his peoples' sins for the past nearly 2000 years; and will reach it's fullness when the high priest emerges from the holiest place to banish the scapegoat alive into the lake of fire.
Nope. Christ rose on the 17th Nisan, the day of the feast of Firstfruits, fulfilling THAT feast day. The early Spring feast ingathering.
The Day of Atonement is a latter Fall feast ingathering, primarily concerning Israel. The Church won't even be around when Hosea 5:15 and 6:1 happens!

1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Jas 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 
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“And you shall bring two loaves of bread, made of fine flour, baked with leaven, as a wave offering to the LORD.”
— Leviticus 23:17–20

I favor the interpretation that the two loaves are representing the two houses of Israel (Judah and Ephraim) joined together.
This due to the fact that Joel is so very Israel-centric.

That's an interesting idea. We have to remember, though, that the 7 feasts are about Christ, not Israel, and that includes his body.
 
I think it's a bit ridiculous to deny that every aspect of the day of atonement, except for the scapegoat, has been occurring for the past nearly 2000 years. That what fulfillment means
 
I think it's a bit ridiculous to deny that every aspect of the day of atonement, except for the scapegoat, has been occurring for the past nearly 2000 years. That what fulfillment means
It is 6th feast day of the Hebrew calendar. Hebrew.
The prescient distinction of the day of Atonement is its proximity in TIME and space to the man of sin, the anti-Christ, the false messiah that the Jews WILL (at first) RECEIVE. Likewise its connection to the goat for Azazel.

Which MUST place its fulfillment at the 70th week of Daniel, and excludes the Church altogether.


The vast majority of Christians are pretty much clueless about these matters. Maybe this will help.....

 
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