Yes .. I was a person who could see the pieces of the futurist camp were not fitting first by the very words of Jesus and the time stamps and someone here on CC helped see the flaws of my adopted position.
I have learned recently the people who have that open mind and will converse sensibly on the topic ( not mock and ridicule ) are the ones I want to engage, to easy to stoop down to that lower level otherwise.
I have wasted so much time on fruitless conversations ... so now I just move on. No point.
That is just me, however, I appreciate your rebuttals so you can carry on

cause I do learn from you and you are retired... Bonus!!
“I have learned recently the people who have that open mind and will converse sensibly on the topic ( not mock and ridicule ) are the ones I want to engage, “
yes maam , also those are the people who begin to see that the prices don’t fit then the revelations in the epistles start to click . We can’t learn anything new if we aren’t willing to engage in the right spirit or if we think we can’t learn from his word
“by the very words of Jesus and the time stamps”
yes this parable is where I began realizing who the husbandmen were and then the prophets really opened up to witness it well and clear in really a resounding way
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Hear another parable:
There was a
certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, ( God ) and let it out to
husbandmen, ( isreal ) and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near,
he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. ( early prophets calling then to repentance )
And
the husbandmen ( israel particularly Jerusalem )
took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. ( latter messianic prophets )
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( the promised messiah Jesus our Lord ) But
when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him,
He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-38, 40-43
When you have read the ot relatively thoroughly and then when you start seeing these types of things it just becomes undeniable
“O
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
just so repetetive and really there shouldn’t be confusion
“And
when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For
these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
“And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: ( Jesus was rejected and crucified for the sins of the people )
and
the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”( Nero and Rome destroyed Jerusalem and left the temple desolate which means thier entire covenant cannot be observed ot required a temple worship and animal sacrifice after the siege of jeruswlem fukfilling Jesus prophecy regarding the destruction of jeruswlem and its temple ) after 70 ad and the Jews were scattered into all nations )
Daniel 9:26 KJV
what’s missing is any nt prophecy for a rebuild ofnthe ri worm and it’s temple or another third return to the land after the Babylonian exile and gathering again from Babylon back to Israel before Romes attack.
Of course when we start listening tonjesus we realize the kingdom of God isn’t on tbis earth but he’s got a glorious one prepared for us all
you have always been and are now appreciated and loved in Christ !! Zz