Rapture true or false
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And in those Bible quotes we find a rapture::
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The rapture is a real thing.. The actual contention has been the timing of the rapture.. I believe it will happen on the day of the second coming of the LORD Jesus.. As shown above..
Jesus came spot on time and was baptised at the start of the 70th week. Then Jesus died in the middle of the last week. The offerings no longer mattered and Jesus was preached for 3 and a half years to the Jews before it went to the Gentiles.
70 weeks was given to Israel and they rejected Jesus.
The last week is not seperated and moved to the very end of time.
This is a human doctrine not supported by the Bible.
Tell me about it. I'm just playing along with the game another started.
And since we're splitting hairs, I only go from the original Greek, not the Latin Vulgate.
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Good. Fair enough.
To insert rapture remains a doctrinal post-revision, not having to do with the Greek word for being caught and taken up together to meet the Lord in the air.
True. Caught and taken up are synonyms acceptable for translation from harpazo.
Rapture is emotionally similar, but unacceptable for translation from harpazo.
Yes. Neither words are found in the NT, because no Greek is found written for those words. Both are later doctrinal words representing things written in the NT, about the Godhead and the 2nd coming of the Lord for His church on earth.
We're not debating the doctrine of the rapture nor of the trinity. We're only playing your game of splitting translation hairs...
“set up His earthly kingdom here on earth. “
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
…But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10-13 KJV
“The word rapture is simply the Latin translation of the Greek word found in the NT. It means to be caught up.”
exactly that’s my whole point the only reason “ rapture “ appears in the Latin bu ke is because it’s a Latin word meaning the same thing the English says “ to be caught up “ or to be ceized”
that’s my entire point o ky because it was teanslated Into Latin does the word appear in the Bible . But it’s silly because the English term “ caught up “ means the same thing to English speakers as “ rapture” means to Latin speakers
Sonwhat I had originally said was the word rapture doesn’t actually appear in the Bible , but in English language it means “ a feeling of extreme joy peace or bliss “
alike is described for believers when Jesus returns
Can't argue with this. It's simple as Scripture itself.
When Jesus returns to earth with power to rule over the earth, He will first resurrect His saints, and meet them in the air. With angel escorts:
Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
"Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
I don't know about you, but clouds to me are up in the sky, not here on the earth. It also says, "Into the air". Air is all around us, so obviously it does not mean air at ground level.
That's what most Christians believe with respect to the word rapture in the context of Christ's return. Feel free to avoid the rapture.
Hebrews 9:28
"....so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him." I have no desire whatsoever to spend one moment longer on this earth than I absolutely must.
What is that salvation? It is the transformation of our bodies. 1 Corinthians 15:51.
Part 1
Matthew 13 verse one the same day went Jesus out of the house and sat by the seaside. 2 and great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went out on a ship, and sat; And the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in Parables saying behold the Sower went out to sow.
This particular Bay where Jesus was in the boat at had a unique aspect to it, it acted like an amphitheater so that Jesus’s voice could be heard by all the multitude.
So here we have Jesus out on the Bay in a boat teaching the people and he's going to speak to them in parables. Now let's go down to verse 24 this is the parable that I want to get into.
24 another parable put he forth unto them, saying, “the Kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
now this man was not just any farmer he wanted to make sure that his field had the best seed so that he could have the best crop in all the land.
Verse 25 But while men slept his enemy came and sowed terrors among the wheat and went his way.
The man here that slept we're not just workers in the field they were the Watchmen they were supposed to be watching that night so that the enemy could not slip in and ruin the field.
Verse 26 but when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the terrors also.
Here we see just what happens when you're supposed to be on watch and you fall asleep on the job the enemy comes in and ruins your work.
Verse 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, detest not thou so good seed in the field? From whence then hath it terrors?
By Sleeping on watch they the workers allowed the enemy to come in and pollute the field.
Verse 28 and he said unto them, an enemy hath done this. The servant said unto him wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Verse 29 but he said nay; lest while ye gather up the terrors you root up also the weed with them.
Now we see two things here 1 is the consequence a falling asleep on watch and not doing your duty the other thing we learned here is the farmer wants to take very good care of his field, that's why he does not want the workers to pull out the terrors.
Verse 30 let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye the tares together and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Let’s jump down to verses 36-43
Matthew 13 verse one the same day went Jesus out of the house and sat by the seaside. 2 and great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went out on a ship, and sat; And the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in Parables saying behold the Sower went out to sow.
This particular Bay where Jesus was in the boat at had a unique aspect to it, it acted like an amphitheater so that Jesus’s voice could be heard by all the multitude.
So here we have Jesus out on the Bay in a boat teaching the people and he's going to speak to them in parables. Now let's go down to verse 24 this is the parable that I want to get into.
24 another parable put he forth unto them, saying, “the Kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
now this man was not just any farmer he wanted to make sure that his field had the best seed so that he could have the best crop in all the land.
Verse 25 But while men slept his enemy came and sowed terrors among the wheat and went his way.
The man here that slept we're not just workers in the field they were the Watchmen they were supposed to be watching that night so that the enemy could not slip in and ruin the field.
Verse 26 but when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the terrors also.
Here we see just what happens when you're supposed to be on watch and you fall asleep on the job the enemy comes in and ruins your work.
Verse 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, detest not thou so good seed in the field? From whence then hath it terrors?
By Sleeping on watch they the workers allowed the enemy to come in and pollute the field.
Verse 28 and he said unto them, an enemy hath done this. The servant said unto him wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Verse 29 but he said nay; lest while ye gather up the terrors you root up also the weed with them.
Now we see two things here 1 is the consequence a falling asleep on watch and not doing your duty the other thing we learned here is the farmer wants to take very good care of his field, that's why he does not want the workers to pull out the terrors.
Verse 30 let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye the tares together and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Let’s jump down to verses 36-43
Parable of the Wheat and Tares part 2
36. Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him saying “Declare unto the parable of the tares of the field”.Jesus comes to shore, and I can just see all the multitude of people clamoring to say something to Him to be close to Him, to ask Him questions, and Jesus most likely spent some time with them before sending them home. He goes into the house, the same house He left that morning; And what do the disciples say to Him? Jesus please explain to us the parable of the wheat and the tares.
37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man:
Who is the Son of Man? It is Jesus of course.
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
What does the field represent? We just read it “the world” Not some little part of it where Jesus was tea
39. The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angles.
40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the field; so, shall it be at the end of theworld. 41. The son of man shall send forth His angles, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity:” 42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be walling and gnashing of teeth. 43. THEN shall the righteous shin forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him here.
Remembers the W’s. Who is doing the teaching here? Jesus. Why did He take the time to explain this parable only to the disciples? They were open to receiving this understanding and they were going to have to go out to the people and spread this good news. They also needed to understand the timing. Remember the field is the world, the tarries are the children of wicked ones. What do tarries do in a wheat field? Kill and chock off the wheat, they do not let it grow. The Son of Man: This is Jesus, He sends out his angles to gather out all the field (world) the wicked ones first before anyone else; so that the wheat may be harvested and brought into the barn.
Just what did we learn here? There are only 2 teams on the field, no fans in the stands. We must choose team Jesus or team Satan. Team Satan is taken off the field first and team Jesus is left to join with the “Father” God.
Which team do you choose? 1. Team Satan Team 2 Jesus.
Here is what God thanks of those that teach His people to fly to save their Souls
The Reproof of False Prophets
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: 11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.
False Women Prophets
17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
The Reproof of False Prophets
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: 11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.
False Women Prophets
17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Although significant numbers of “believers” recoil at the term cultist, it is very instructive to recognize how many characteristics that are classically identified with the term cult may be applied to rapturists. Cult experts everywhere have noted that one must be very careful in communicating with such people because terms that mean one thing to most Christians frequently mean quite another to an individual that has had their decision-making processes impaired through spiritual deception.
To put it another way, one of the primary difficulties found in any interaction with a cultist is that people that are programmed into a particular mindset attach meanings to words that others would not perceive in the same way. When you’re talking with a rapture cultist, you may both speak English -- but he/she frequently does not hear your words with the meaning attached to the concept that you intended to convey. The word “rapture” itself is a prime example.
For instance, I declare here and now that the word “rapture” never appears in the Bible. Now a rapturist will respond ‘that’s not true! I know the word IS in the Bible!’ and in a twisted way of looking at things, he’s right. Let me illustrate.
In Thessalonians 4:17 we see that “...we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together...in the clouds.” In this verse, the Greek word that Paul originally used when he wrote I Thessalonians was “harpazo.” This word means to be caught up or snatched up violently. When Catholic scholars produced early translations of the New Testament, they wrote in Latin. In those translations, they used the Latin word rapere as their equivalent for harpazo. This word rapere is the root word and the origin of the English word rapture. The root has other words associated with it -- including our word raptor, which describes a destructive bird of prey.
The New Testament was written in Greek. It was translated from the Greek into English by a team of spiritually blessed men of God back in the time of King James. I don’t consider any other version (including all copyrighted English versions) to be the Bible. In this regard, the New International Version is blasphemous garbage -- not the word of God. I don’t speak Latin, no scriptures were ever given to any of the Lord’s Hebrew prophets in Latin, and no prophet of the Lord wrote in Latin. The only Latin writers I have any knowledge of were Catholic, and I am persuaded that the Scriptures demonstrate that Catholicism provides a significant component to what Revelation calls Mystery Babylon. Thus, the argument that the word “rapture” is in the Bible is dependent on a Latin translation -- i.e. work that is derived from Scripture, but is not scripture. Therefore, the word Rapture IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.
There is another way to approach the word game that is played by those what are caught in the cult. When they tell you the word “rapture” is in the Bible, ask them if the word Chernobyl is in the Bible. If they’re honest at all, they’ll say ‘of course not.’ Then show them Revelation 9:11 where after the 3rd trumpet the fresh waters are made bitter during the tribulation. The text says “And the name of the star is called Wormwood, and the third part of the waters became wormwood.”
Many of us know that the Ukrainian word for “wormwood” (which is actually an herbal purging substance) is Chernobyl. Now, how many of you speak or read Ukrainian? It’s possible that this wormwood episode is describing a nuclear contamination of fresh water at some point in the tribulation, but you could hardly say the actual word Chernobyl is in the Bible. It’s a Ukrainian word -- not Hebrew, Greek, or English. Indeed, 50 years ago if you said ‘You know, the word Chernobyl is in the Bible!’ people would have sent for the boys in the white coats to give you some Prozac.
The analogy is the same. Why pull out some strange word from a dead or foreign language that has no original connection with the scriptures? The only reason is to defend a doctrine that is not expressly taught anywhere in scripture.
Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.
For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel back with your friends to their place of origin!
So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.
...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16
The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.
meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.
Here are all four usages of the word meet:
Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.
1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“
What?: "hackneyed thing"? I trow not:
God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture} To Heaven!:
Borrowed from this:
(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)
(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)
6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)
(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)
(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 AV)
no "hackneyed thing" in God's Precious Word Of Truth.
Amen.