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So way before the end of all things?

I guess it depends on how you define end of the age of the gentiles. I see it as when the the kingdoms of the world become the lord's, ie, it's his kingdom then

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15
 
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BTW, the point is that BOTH the preterists and post-tribbers are wrong!
I guess it depends on how you define end of the age of the gentiles. I see it as when the the kingdoms of the world become the lord's, ie, it's his kingdom then

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15

Stupid me, I though end times meant the end.

Your correct in that semantics will prevail in the end.

Semantics is the final place in most debates as no one can agree on definitions.
 
Stupid me, I though end times meant the end.

Your correct in that semantics will prevail in the end.

Semantics is the final place in most debates as no one can agree on definitions.
Semantics are a waste of time.
The OT patterns MUST BE REALIZED.
Or the doctrine is false. Simple as that.
 
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Stupid me, I though end times meant the end.

Your correct in that semantics will prevail in the end.

Semantics is the final place in most debates as no one can agree on definitions.

Well your initial question was if anyone knew the end of the age of the gentiles, not the end of all the violence, so I responded accordingly.
 
Well your initial question was if anyone knew the end of the age of the gentiles, not the end of all the violence, so I responded accordingly.

"I guess it depends on how you define end of the age of the gentiles" that is semantics.

Definitions and context.

The end of Jerusalem and the desolation of the temple was some what abrupt.

Does that also mean that the age of the Gentiles will end abruptly?
 
"I guess it depends on how you define end of the age of the gentiles" that is semantics.

Definitions and context.

The end of Jerusalem and the desolation of the temple was some what abrupt.

Does that also mean that the age of the Gentiles will end abruptly?

I told you when I think it ends
 
The top 5 misunderstood subjects in Christianity according to who?

You quoted Matthew 24 and that was probably written before the desolation of the temple.

Matthew places the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in the end times.

Try reading Luke 21 and get a handle on the age of the Gentiles, that occurs after Jerusalem
is sacked. No one has any idea how long the age of the Gentiles will take. What we do know
for certain is that an apostle writing in the first century. May have thought the return of Jesus
was imminent but we know in hindsight. That they would be absolutely wrong. Simple because
an entire age of the Gentiles must first occur.
according to news, reports, conversations with Christians & pastors, tv evangelists & pastors, testimony, etc. wow, you have deviated quite a bit from what i posted. which object do you want to concentrate on?
 
the top 5 subjects in the Bible most misunderstood by Christians are: tithing, tongues, women pastoralship, remarriage & the rapture-tribulation events.

Hello Karlon.

A friendly conversation.

You said.

the top 5 subjects in the Bible most misunderstood by Christians are: tithing, tongues, women pastoralship, remarriage & the rapture-tribulation events.

Not sure if tithing should be in that list and certainly not in the top 5. I hardly ever see tithing discussed
in Christian forums.

I would never say 'tongues' but instead the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the H.S are the Lord's
commandment according to Paul (1 Corinthians 14). The Lord's commandment is not subject to debate.

Getting a divorce and getting married again. Once again not a common subject. No one want's to know.

Further, I would propose that a general misunderstanding of the New Testament is the sole cause of all
misunderstanding.

That inability to read the scripture in the given context would be the main factor, in generating so many
diverse opinions on so many diverse subjects.
 
Hello Karlon.

A friendly conversation.

You said.

the top 5 subjects in the Bible most misunderstood by Christians are: tithing, tongues, women pastoralship, remarriage & the rapture-tribulation events.

Not sure if tithing should be in that list and certainly not in the top 5. I hardly ever see tithing discussed
in Christian forums.

I would never say 'tongues' but instead the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the H.S are the Lord's
commandment according to Paul (1 Corinthians 14). The Lord's commandment is not subject to debate.

Getting a divorce and getting married again. Once again not a common subject. No one want's to know.

Further, I would propose that a general misunderstanding of the New Testament is the sole cause of all
misunderstanding.

That inability to read the scripture in the given context would be the main factor, in generating so many
diverse opinions on so many diverse subjects.
then wherever you are, its different. around here, mid N.Y. that's the case. you can hear it in the churches, on radio, home Bible meetings, discussions, its every where.
 
then wherever you are, its different. around here, mid N.Y. that's the case. you can hear it in the churches, on radio, home Bible meetings, discussions, its every where.

Hard to believe.

But why is tithing mentioned so often in the US.

Tithing is not discussed in England, Germany, France, Italy, etc.

I don't think I have ever heard it mentioned in my country.

So what's going on in the US?
 
Hard to believe.

But why is tithing mentioned so often in the US.

Tithing is not discussed in England, Germany, France, Italy, etc.

I don't think I have ever heard it mentioned in my country.

So what's going on in the US?

It's necessary component of the pastor-king business model
 
Hard to believe.

But why is tithing mentioned so often in the US.

Tithing is not discussed in England, Germany, France, Italy, etc.

I don't think I have ever heard it mentioned in my country.

So what's going on in the US?
why is it hard to believe? what's the big deal on this? every region, every country, has their different habits, ways, cultures & so on which ubiquitously measure up to different polls & results. in the Christian churches of Europe do people tithe at all? what do you mean, "what's going on in the u.s.a.? what particular subject do you want to discuss?
 
why is it hard to believe? what's the big deal on this? every region, every country, has their different habits, ways, cultures & so on which ubiquitously measure up to different polls & results. in the Christian churches of Europe do people tithe at all? what do you mean, "what's going on in the u.s.a.? what particular subject do you want to discuss?

Apparently, in other countries tithing is not discussed or mentioned.

So why is tithing such a hot topic (No1) in the USA?

Whether or not folk in Europe tithe is not important as that's their business.

We can discuss getting a divorce and getting married again.
 
Apparently, in other countries tithing is not discussed or mentioned.

So why is tithing such a hot topic (No1) in the USA?

Whether or not folk in Europe tithe is not important as that's their business.

We can discuss getting a divorce and getting married again.


I just asked AI and it said '"a significant majority of tithe money comes from the United States" and that .the US leads in religious donations.

The reason is due to its high concentration of wealth, large Christian population, and strong tradition of religious giving.

I think American Christians feel a responsibility to make sure we're giving amounts that are satisfactory to God and that it goes where God wants it to go and how it's spent. That's why it's a hot topic here.


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Apparently, in other countries tithing is not discussed or mentioned.

So why is tithing such a hot topic (No1) in the USA?

Whether or not folk in Europe tithe is not important as that's their business.

We can discuss getting a divorce and getting married again.
because in the o.t., book of malachi, tithing is spoken of giving 10% of your "first fruits", known as livestock, grain, oil, wine, etc. because the n.t. doesn't teach "10%" tithing, some people still are stuck in the o.t. believing 10% is what you should tithe. but in the n.t., 1 of the Corinthian books teaches, "let every man be a cheerful giver", meaning out of his heart to give while not complaining about it. give with joy in other words. some Christians say, "well, you can't just do away with & disregard the o.t. & so they don't get out of the habit that o.t. laws are no longer binding in the n.t. which we live in now, as of the death of Jesus on the cross. then you have unfaithful churches teaching to tithe 10% because they think it makes the church secure in the present & in the future. those are controlling churches. they want your money. remember, a church is a business, they have bills to pay, people to pay, etc. & God knew that always. as far as divorce, God give only 2 reasons to remarry: spousal death & adultery. pastor adrian rogers, 1 of the top teacher-preachers since the late 1950's taught that he believes God will honor a new marriage for reasons other than God said.
 
because in the o.t., book of malachi, tithing is spoken of giving 10% of your "first fruits", known as livestock, grain, oil, wine, etc. because the n.t. doesn't teach "10%" tithing, some people still are stuck in the o.t. believing 10% is what you should tithe. but in the n.t., 1 of the Corinthian books teaches, "let every man be a cheerful giver", meaning out of his heart to give while not complaining about it. give with joy in other words. some Christians say, "well, you can't just do away with & disregard the o.t. & so they don't get out of the habit that o.t. laws are no longer binding in the n.t. which we live in now, as of the death of Jesus on the cross. then you have unfaithful churches teaching to tithe 10% because they think it makes the church secure in the present & in the future. those are controlling churches. they want your money. remember, a church is a business, they have bills to pay, people to pay, etc. & God knew that always. as far as divorce, God give only 2 reasons to remarry: spousal death & adultery. pastor adrian rogers, 1 of the top teacher-preachers since the late 1950's taught that he believes God will honor a new marriage for reasons other than God said.


Do you think 10% is too much or too little?


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Do you think 10% is too much or too little?


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neither. i believe a person should tithe what their Christian heart tells them. with increased costs in the u.s.a. all the time, you have to adjust your tithe to the times. some hard core Christians will tithe 10% no matter what the situation is. i used to do that. i tithe still with a cheerful heart but not 10%. i also have given truck loads of merchandise & antiques to causes, charities & friends. plus other money here & there. btw, your bright beautiful soldier girl still puts a smile on me, always.
 
neither. i believe a person should tithe what their Christian heart tells them. with increased costs in the u.s.a. all the time, you have to adjust your tithe to the times. some hard core Christians will tithe 10% no matter what the situation is. i used to do that. i tithe still with a cheerful heart but not 10%. i also have given truck loads of merchandise & antiques to causes, charities & friends. plus other money here & there.


It doesn't bother me that some people still just tithe 10%. They're happy and cheerful to give that amount, so that is actually acceptable to God.


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