Question in story of noah.

[Pilgrimshope]

Exactly. Unless you can prove they are liars, then it becomes a matter of why they wrote that which they wrote, hence the two questions.

you have recognized you have no argument now huh ?

 

[John146]

yeah that’s two of the three persons of God there

“And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:1-3, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

two of the three persons of the lord went and appeared to them. Again that’s not calling angels Gods sons or showing that angels are flesh and blood it’s a foretelling of the father son and Holy Ghost in one

notice they all speak as one ? Abraham recognizes theee men but speaks as of its one ? Two of them go one stays with Abraham they appear as both angels and men. But it’s the lord and his three persons as one

Wow! That’s cutting the edges off a square peg to fit it into a round hole.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

context is an important friend. Elohim is also used to describe human beings as it is angels and God in Hebrew did God sleep with women? Did angels no, that is a theory that cannot be seen without innerjecting it into the text with other places where the context is not related. Sons of God in JOB have nothing to do with Genesis 6. Sodom has nothing to do with Genesis 6 other than MAN was destroyed.

Then why does Paul put an emphasis on "because of the angels" when it pertains to women?

What event could Peter and Jude be referring to in the scriptures that existed before their lifetimes?

I think it is interesting you mention Sodom actually since the wicked men of that city tried to know Lot's guests.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

you have recognized you have no argument now huh ?

I have made no argument to begin with. The scriptures are watertight, and the fullness of the scriptures about this event taken together answer this OP leaving no room for any error. The answer is that yes, the first angels that fell in the days of Noah did mingle with women, but these angels that fell are now in hell in chains of darkness and the world that existed back then was overthrown in the Flood and all flesh died upon the face of the earth except for that which God saved with Noah in the Ark.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Are you a practicing Catholic?

No, nor have I ever been, nor come I from such a family.

 

[CS1]

Then why does Paul put an emphasis on "because of the angels" when it pertains to women?

What event could Peter and Jude be referring to in the scriptures that existed before their lifetimes?

I think it is interesting you mention Sodom actually since the wicked men of that city tried to know Lot's guests.

that is a mystery. Nowhere will you see in scripture angels having sexual relations. Those perverted men in Sodom thought they were men as they appeared to be. The Sodom account doesn't say they slept with them but desired to because they were new men they thought were flesh

 

[CS1]

Then why does Paul put an emphasis on "because of the angels" when it pertains to women?

What event could Peter and Jude be referring to in the scriptures that existed before their lifetimes?

I think it is interesting you mention Sodom actually since the wicked men of that city tried to know Lot's guests.

please pst the scriptures about paul

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

that is a mystery. Nowhere will you see in scripture angels having sexual relations. Those perverted men in Sodom thought they were men as they appeared to be. The Sodom account doesn't say they slept with them but desired to because they were new men they thought were flesh

It's not a mystery if there is an event in the scriptures that fits it. There is such an event that fits with Paul, Peter, and Jude's teachings and points. This event is recorded in Genesis 6.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

please pst the scriptures about paul

1 Corinthians 11:10

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

This scripture is quite enlightening! When Angels had the ability to materialize, they used the natural use of themselves for something unnatural just like humans do today, Roman 1:26-17. It clearly states that they had hybrid children called the Nephilim. (Genesis 6:1-4) Today, humans are so far removed from God and the Bible that they make this a complicated thought, but it is not. This clearly explains the elongated-headed Giant skeletons found through archaeology (native American burial grounds in Ohio and other places).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have made no argument to begin with. The scriptures are watertight, and the fullness of the scriptures about this event taken together answer this OP leaving no room for any error. The answer is that yes, the first angels that fell in the days of Noah did mingle with women, but these angels that fell are now in hell in chains of darkness and the world that existed back then was overthrown in the Flood and all flesh died upon the face of the earth except for that which God saved with Noah in the Ark.

you know how your theory relies on this
and you are equating it to mean the angels saw a woman’s hair and then came and had sex with them ?

“Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:9-10, 13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note he’s saying if a women has long hair that is her covering not that she needs to cover her hair so as not to tempt angels

that relates to this

“For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what he’s talking about notice he never talks about angels raping women or having consensual sex with them but the context is all about Adam being formed first and then Eve and so she should wear a sign of authority on her head ?

It’s because the angels deceived her Satan specifically who was a powerful angel who tempted and deceived Eve in her mind which is the angels actual transgression

she was deceived and therefore should we’re a covering on her head long hair being sufficient for her covering

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Here’s a question, if in Job 1:6 Satan is named among those who are called the “Sons of God” and he’s given jobs and responsibilities then why are the children of the devil not viewed favorably in the New Testament?

In Revelation 12 there’s a war in heaven and the devil, also known as Satan, is cast to earth, and is the “god of this world.” So the war in heaven must have already happened. Right?

I’m mostly interested in hearing any disagreements with this. Not to argue, but to get a different perspective. Thank you.

Revelation 12:4 speaks of Satan's cohorts that were kicked down to the earth with him. One-third of the Angels in Heaven rebelled with Satan. The scriptures say wow to the earth and to the sea for "they" have come down having great anger knowing they have a short period of time. Revelation 20:1-3

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Revelation 12:4 speaks of Satan's cohorts that were kicked down to the earth with him. One-third of the Angels in Heaven rebelled with Satan. The scriptures say wow to the earth and to the sea for "they" have come down having great anger knowing they have a short period of time. Revelation 20:1-3

Amen when Christ the king was seated in heaven this happened

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:

for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so on earth we have this situation now

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Then why does Paul put an emphasis on "because of the angels" when it pertains to women?

What event could Peter and Jude be referring to in the scriptures that existed before their lifetimes?

I think it is interesting you mention Sodom actually since the wicked men of that city tried to know Lot's guests.

Some things cannot be seen or understood if God's spirit does not reveal these things to you. You will remain confused or what is so clear will be obscured for you. Her/their comments are clear and precise to me. Angels materialized had sex with human woman and had a hybrid call Nephilim. They have found the giant elongated skulled skeletons in different parts of the world.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

you know how your theory relies on this
and you are equating it to mean the angels saw a woman’s hair and then came and had sex with them ?

“Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:9-10, 13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note he’s saying if a women has long hair that is her covering not that she needs to cover her hair so as not to tempt angels

that relates to this

“For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what he’s talking about notice he never talks about angels raping women or having consensual sex with them but the context is all about Adam being formed first and then Eve and so she should wear a sign of authority on her head ?

It’s because the angels deceived her Satan specifically who was a powerful angel who tempted and deceived Eve in her mind which is the angels actual transgression

she was deceived and therefore should we’re a covering on her head long hair being sufficient for her covering

If Paul's quote about women having power over their heads refers to the Garden chapter of Genesis 3; why doesn't it say, "because of the serpent" instead of "because of the angels"?

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Some things cannot be seen or understood if God's spirit does not reveal these things to you. You will remain confused or what is so clear will be obscured for you. Her/their comments are clear and precise to me. Angels materialized had sex with human woman and had a hybrid call Nephilim. They have found the giant elongated skulled skeletons in different parts of the world.

I do not think it is a lack of the Spirit, but it is that the Bible's account of history and the future clashes with the modern world's views which then leads to a dynamic where one must choose between the two.

 

[Runningman]

Revelation 12:4 speaks of Satan's cohorts that were kicked down to the earth with him. One-third of the Angels in Heaven rebelled with Satan. The scriptures say wow to the earth and to the sea for "they" have come down having great anger knowing they have a short period of time. Revelation 20:1-3

thank you, yes I’m aware of what the plain text of the passage says. There’s varying theology on if the war in heaven is past or future. For example, by the time of this writing John was having a vision of the things in which he transcribed, speaking of a time prior to the great tribulation.

So has the great tribulation happened, or is it ongoing, or will it happen in the future? The war in heaven and Satan’s subsequent fall to earth precede the great tribulation. Which one do you think it is? Where are we now?

 

[Nehemiah6]

This event is cited in the letters of Jude 1, 2 Peter 2, and 1 Corinthians 11.

And let's not forget the book of Enoch. Although it is not regarded as Scripture by the majority of Christians (Ethiopian Jews and Ethiopian Orthodox Christians do accept it), it does give us tremendous insight into the angels which sinned. The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is also something to keep in mind.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

And let's not forget the book of Enoch. Although it is not regarded as Scripture by the majority of Christians (Ethiopian Jews and Ethiopian Orthodox Christians do accept it), it does give us tremendous insight into the angels which sinned. The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is also something to keep in mind.

There's no need to consort with that book written by the Pharisees. The Holy Bible is sufficient to all knowledge and study.

 

[Gardenias]

And let's not forget the book of Enoch. Although it is not regarded as Scripture by the majority of Christians (Ethiopian Jews and Ethiopian Orthodox Christians do accept it), it does give us tremendous insight into the angels which sinned. The fact that Jude quotes Enoch is also something to keep in mind.

I've read it too.
I didn't find it very useful.
Angels didn't save my soul,they are CREATED as we are.
Messenger,helpers.