Question about Moses

[eph610]

I hadn't heard of this explanation before but it makes sense.

The first time he struck the Rock - crucifixion.
The second time he was supposed to talk to the Rock - prayer.

Is it easier for us to have faith now? Since the Lord Jesus has personified all these spiritual shadows?

Do you ever feel bad for people in the OT? Like if they could have just gotten over a couple hurdles they would have been absolutely fantastic.

I feel bad for the peeps in the OT and more so those under the New Covenant, because it is far easier than those under the OT and Mosaic Law.

Those under the New Covenant have it as easy as Adam, Eve and then Abraham and Sarah had it, simply have faith in what God says and stagger not in unbelief

Those under the OT and Mosaic Law had to contend with personal performance and not instant position gifted through simply having faith to believe and confessing with your mouth

 

[abcdef]

1 Corinthians 10:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

What I find interesting is the words "followed them".

Was this a rock that they carried with them, that followed them through the desert, that provided them water?

Was this a one time occurrence?

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What kind of rock was it? I see that it may have been limestone,

But, it would seem that this may have been no ordinary rock, that would have been typical to that area.

The rocks used for alters/markers would probably have been "hard rock", granite, etc..

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How big was this rock?

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Was it a singularity, or attached to the mountain?

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Not a lot is said about the physical properties of this this rock.

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The rocks are attached to the earth element, which is the element of man, (dust of the earth).

So the rock is both earth and spiritual, showing Jesus.

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This has always been an interest of mine since I am a rock hound/collector.

 

[eph610]

Egypt symbolizes the world and pharaoh symbolizes the prince of this world.

When the children of Israel were called out of Egypt (the world), Pharaoh chased after them to bring them back into the bondage of Egypt (Ex 14:9).

However, God placed Himself between His people and pharaoh's men (Ex 14:19).

In 1 Cor 10:2 we read that the children of Israel were baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea and that through eating manna, they ate spiritual meat (manna represented Christ – John 6:27-59).

When we become born again, the prince of this world (the devil) chases after us to bring us back into bondage. We can no more look back on our former life and go back to it than the children of Israel could go back into Egypt. And we must trust that God places Himself between us and the devil and that, throughout our lifetime on this earth, He will lead us through the wilderness and into the promised land, just as He led the children of Israel through the wilderness.

And just as the children of Israel looked back and thought the fruit of Egypt was more desirable than the manna from heaven, and their bondage in Egypt was more desirable than their wandering in the wilderness, when the going gets tough as we abide in our Lord Jesus Christ, we sometimes look back ... just as the children of Israel did. And we can no more go back to our former life than they could go back into Egypt.




So true, Miri. So true.

Have you ever considered that they could never go back, because they could not re-cross the Reed Sea? There is a principal in this consideration that few think about.

 

[Grace777x70]

What I find interesting is the words "followed them".

Was this a rock that they carried with them, that followed them through the desert, that provided them water?

Was this a one time occurrence?

--

What kind of rock was it? I see that it may have been limestone,

But, it would seem that this may have been no ordinary rock, that would have been typical to that area.

The rocks used for alters/markers would probably have been "hard rock", granite, etc..

--

How big was this rock?

---

Was it a singularity, or attached to the mountain?

---

Not a lot is said about the physical properties of this this rock.

--

The rocks are attached to the earth element, which is the element of man, (dust of the earth).

So the rock is both earth and spiritual, showing Jesus.

--

This has always been an interest of mine since I am a rock hound/collector.

Interesting....We know that the Lord is called our rock, refuge and fortress! Perhaps what the "followed them" part in the wilderness is the pillar of fire by night and the cloud by day? That's also when they knew to move when they saw them move.

 

[Grandpa]

Interesting....We know that the Lord is called our rock, refuge and fortress! Perhaps what the "followed them" part in the wilderness is the pillar of fire by night and the cloud by day? That's also when they knew to move when they saw them move.

I was thinking the same thing.

Although not technically a rock, it was still the representation of God. Just like the Rock.

 

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 10:4-5 says it was a spiritual Rock...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Have you ever considered that they could never go back, because they could not re-cross the Reed Sea? There is a principal in this consideration that few think about.

Yes, I have considered that ... just as I have considered we cannot go back to our old life once we are born again. Even the ones with whom God was not well pleased did not go back but were overthrown in the wilderness (1 Cor 10:5).

And in 1 Cor 10:6-10, we are admonished these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

We can look at each instance in the OT record and see exactly what we are being warned of in 1 Cor 10.

And we have this assurance in 1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. These are words to live by. Whenever we find ourselves in a pickle, we need to look for that way to escape which our faithful Father provides to us. Sometimes we fail and we succumb to our shortcomings, and Father also assures us of His continued love, care, and concern for us as we turn back to Him after having strayed. So comforting to know these truths.

 

[abcdef]

Why didn't Moses make it into the Promised Land?


Was it because of disobedience or was it because of a lack of faith?

Are they one and the same thing?


I think Moses misrepresented God at the Rock by causing the water to flow by his own strength and understanding instead of relying on the Provision and Work of God. Which caused Israel (and everyone else who would attempt to emulate them) to think that is the way.

Is there more to it than this?

As I thought about this today,

I wondered how much water came out of the rock?

Some say that there was perhaps a million people there.

I think that it was more like a river that a trickle.

A river from a rock with more than enough water for all.

Then I remembered the river of life that flows from the throne of God.

It is the Holy Spirit of love, that flows to us, through us,

The waters of God's love flow through us, to the material world and the souls around us.

How great is that flow!

How wonderful!

God's love in us, preach the gospel! The good news!

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I also thought of the stone/rock in Dan. 2:34,

"....A stone was cut out without hands,.."

This was is a Holy stone.

The stone was holy because it was not struck with an iron tool.

The stone with Moses also remained holy because it was struck with wood and not iron.

Also, the stone and the mountain are the exact same material, yet separate.

 

[Bladerunner]

Well if Moses was in heaven talking to the Lord and to Elijah, he made it to the Promised Land, in my estimation.

will have to agree with you there....In fact Moses and Elijah will probably be the two witnesses that are sent down after the rapture.

 

[eph610]

will have to agree with you there....In fact Moses and Elijah will probably be the two witnesses that are sent down after the rapture.

Actually it will be Enoch and Elijah, neither of them saw death.

 

[garee]

Why didn't Moses make it into the Promised Land?


Was it because of disobedience or was it because of a lack of faith?

Are they one and the same thing?


I think Moses misrepresented God at the Rock by causing the water to flow by his own strength and understanding instead of relying on the Provision and Work of God. Which caused Israel (and everyone else who would attempt to emulate them) to think that is the way.

Is there more to it than this?

Much more, if a person would search for the spiritually meaning of that historically true parable involving striking the Rock "once" as to its purpose. I believe it can aid in understanding in other portions of scripture to give, I believe a clearer understanding of the gospel and how it worked in the old testament as God did work in the affairs of men .

I can share my understanding if you were interested.

 

[pottersclay]

I feel bad for the peeps in the OT and more so those under the New Covenant, because it is far easier than those under the OT and Mosaic Law.

Those under the New Covenant have it as easy as Adam, Eve and then Abraham and Sarah had it, simply have faith in what God says and stagger not in unbelief

Those under the OT and Mosaic Law had to contend with personal performance and not instant position gifted through simply having faith to believe and confessing with your mouth

Yes in deed praise the king of kings and the Lord of lords for this.....

 

[lv2ski]

The first time at the rock - Moses was told to strike it "once" and the water flowed out. The second time Moses took it on himself to strike the rock 2x's.

To me it is an analogy of Christ can only be struck once for our deliverance - not repeated times. The promised land is a type of entering into Christ's completed work.

There are still giants in the land ( which is our flesh ). The promised land is not going to heaven as there will be no giants there to contend with.

Only Caleb and Joshua entered the promised land because they were the only ones that believed the word of the Lord. Let us today also believe the word of the Lord in all that Crist has already done for us so that we can enter into the rest of Christ. ( In Christ there are vineyards that we did not plant and houses we did not build..etc.)

Yep, that's what we were looking for, plus Moses acted in anger towards Gods people and God wasn't angry with them.

 

[lv2ski]

1 Corinthians 10:4-5 says it was a spiritual Rock...

The Rock of Christ Jesus. After He was smitten by God, we now only need to speak to the Rock. The price has been paid, Access to the throne of God is granted in the Rock.

 

[Talishi]

Actually it will be Enoch and Elijah, neither of them saw death.

If the events in Revelation are to become literally true, then Enoch and Elijah will see death at long last, for a little while.

 

[mud]

Actually it will be Enoch and Elijah, neither of them saw death.

what would enoch represent?........moses represents the law giver, elijah the prophets, and enoch?

 

[mcubed]

Miri, I’m really grateful you posted the scripture. Numbers 20:8-13 NKJV
[8] "Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together.
Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring
water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals."

[9] So Moses took the rod from before the LORD as He commanded him
[10] And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock;
and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water for you out of this rock?"
[11] Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out
abundantly, and the congregation and their animals drank.

[12] Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow
Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the
land which I have given them." [13] This was the water of Meribah, because the children
of Israel contended with the LORD, and He was hallowed among them.

"Hallow Me" is so huge. When I first got saved I cursed all the time when I prayed, my thought was G-d knew what was in my heart so why not say it. I, remember vividly about five years later I was driving and praying and G-d spoke to me and said you do not say cuss words in front of your earthly father; then I heard very clearly I AM G-D! And I said OH!!!!!! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!! I did not “hallow” the Lord. Thank G-d I was not doing anything important like leading the children of the Most High. In 1 Sam. It says the disobedience is the same as witch craft. And to make myself/ one’s self, equal with G-d, in word, thought, or deed, is sin against G-d. To whom much is given much is required. This Scripture shows what a sad state I’m in (not much required)… G-d only spoke to me, not a consequence like Moses.

 

[Miri]

Miri, I’m really grateful you posted the scripture. Numbers 20:8-13 NKJV
[8] "Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together.
Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring
water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals."

[9] So Moses took the rod from before the LORD as He commanded him
[10] And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock;
and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water for you out of this rock?"
[11] Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out
abundantly, and the congregation and their animals drank.

[12] Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow
Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the
land which I have given them." [13] This was the water of Meribah, because the children
of Israel contended with the LORD, and He was hallowed among them.

"Hallow Me" is so huge. When I first got saved I cursed all the time when I prayed, my thought was G-d knew what was in my heart so why not say it. I, remember vividly about five years later I was driving and praying and G-d spoke to me and said you do not say cuss words in front of your earthly father; then I heard very clearly I AM G-D! And I said OH!!!!!! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!! I did not “hallow” the Lord. Thank G-d I was not doing anything important like leading the children of the Most High. In 1 Sam. It says the disobedience is the same as witch craft. And to make myself/ one’s self, equal with G-d, in word, thought, or deed, is sin against G-d. To whom much is given much is required. This Scripture shows what a sad state I’m in (not much required)… G-d only spoke to me, not a consequence like Moses.

There is plenty of time yet for "much required" you would be surprised at the little tasks
God gives us on our learning curve. He won't give you something you are not ready for,
but He will also push you into things you can do but don't think you can and stretch you.
That has been my experience.

 

[posthuman]

Moses on the other hand, left Egypt long before the Isrealites did - isn't that interesting that
he spent all that extra time in the wilderness first. In that sense he was miles ahead of the
Isrealites in his relationship with God - the Isrealites however had to play catch up but
the original adults never managed it.

If anything it's a warning to us to be quick learners.

40 years.

it was 40 years after Moses was born & adopted when he killed the Egyptian, and fled.
(Acts 7:23)
40 years he spent in Midian.
(Exodus 7:7)

 

[garee]

What I find interesting is the words "followed them".

Was this a rock that they carried with them, that followed them through the desert, that provided them water?

Was this a one time occurrence?

--

What kind of rock was it? I see that it may have been limestone,

But, it would seem that this may have been no ordinary rock, that would have been typical to that area.

The rocks used for alters/markers would probably have been "hard rock", granite, etc..

--

How big was this rock?

---

Was it a singularity, or attached to the mountain?

---

Not a lot is said about the physical properties of this this rock.

--

The rocks are attached to the earth element, which is the element of man, (dust of the earth).

So the rock is both earth and spiritual, showing Jesus.

--

This has always been an interest of mine since I am a rock hound/collector.

In that parable ,the Rock represents Christ our sure foundation . The rod of Aaron, represents the word of God set against us as a sign of rebellion. Moses is used to represent the law of God. The striking of the rock is a picture of the law which in effect struck Christ in our stead, out came many or abundant waters a description of the living waters of the gospel . Moses striking it twice would be like double jeopardy or like crucifying Christ over and over to public shame as informed in Hebrew 6

Moses not entering the land typified as the eternal land in the new heavens and earth shows us the letter of the law will not enter the new order

Mathew 5 is a companion verse or a commentary to the end of the matter.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled..