Do you believe Jesus would have died on the cross if our sins were not laid upon Him?
Predestination is misunderstood...
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That would be the only reason God would have allowed them to eat from the Tree of Life.
Yes He did. I apologize; I was multitasking (fixing supper)…Which question might that be?
Jesus died for our sins - so we could be 'allowed' to believe in Him.
If there were no means to have our sins forgiven?
No one would be allowed to believe...
For God could not accept us unless our sins were paid for.
That is why Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
That means that all who refuse to believe could have believed if they desired to accept the drawing of God!
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours
but also for the sins of the whole world." John 2:2
grace and peace ................
Sorry... Typical getting out of synch because of all the crazy stuff being posted ...
God's original plan was for man to never die.
We know this is true because those that accept the Lord and spend eternity with Him will never die and will be in a physical body that is immortal showing this is the will of God.
What are we having for supper?
You must be from the south somewhere to be calling it supper.
The Gospel sounds pretty crazy to anybody that does not believe or has not spent a lot of time studying God's Word.
Yes, it will die because it has another law in it now, a law God did not create when He formed or built Adam and Eve's bodies.
Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
I'm not calling God a liar. Babies die, it's reality. I agree they have no personal sin of their own yet they still die. You have yet to explain how that can happen.
Your argument is nonsense because the Lord said "you will not commit murder". No-one has the right to take the life of another as all souls belong to God. All of us are innocent in regards to the corruption in our bodies in the sense Adam caused that, not our personal sin. We all sinned because that corruption put us in bondage to the law of sin, that coupled with being born spiritually dead.
Again you are making stuff up to suit your ideas. There is nothing to suggest that the Spirit was breathed into Adam which made his body to be something other than the physical body of the earth from which it came.
God breathed a human spirit into Adam giving him spiritual life. It is this life he lost when he sinned which is why Jesus said you must be born from above. (Jn.3:3)
That's not what I asked. Did Adam begin to physically age as a result of sin?
I'm asking for someone to clarify. Since sin causes death, if they had not sinned there is no reason to believe they would die. The same with Jesus. Had our sins not been laid on Him, there is no reason to believe He would have died.
Since our sins caused him to be forsaken by the Father..... He died spiritually.
So if our sins were not poured upon him he would have remained alive spiritually.
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
that is to say, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Matthew 27:45-46
It was his spiritual death that saved man from his spiritual death from sin...
For it was our sins piercing his body and soul that caused his spiritual death.
He became cut off from fellowship with the Father while man's sins were contacting Him on the Cross!
It was like when the priest would transfer the person's sins to the lamb and then slitting the lamb's throat.
Its gross to think about. That is why God hid Jesus in total darkness while it took place..
Moses gave the ritualistic symbolism in the Law so we could eventually see what was the reality being fulfilled on the Cross.
grace and peace .................