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Cameron143

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Stan_the_Man said:
No, one does not die because they are in sin.

When Adam sinned, he lost his supernatural body so everyone born after him does not have a supernatural body.

That does not mean your body sins and you cannot control it as some falsely claim

God says it's appointed unto man to die once

Christians are called to walk after the Spirit not after the flesh and that's the game changer that enable us to not live after sin that some claim is not possible as an excuse to keep doing sinful behavior.

They'll tell you that they sin in word and deed every day and they just can't help it because they falsely believe they were born a sinner and the devil is laughing at them because that's the devil that started that false doctrine.






No, Adam was not deceived and he knew eating of that tree was sinful and he did it anyway.

satan is not forcibly overthrow Adam. Adam made the decision to disobey God.







That does not mean all the other people there that day were not chosen by God and the Lord prevented them from getting saved.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It's God's will that ALL men get saved and NONE perish:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
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Where in scripture does it say Adam received a different body after sinning?
 
selahsays

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Stan_the_Man said:
No, one does not die because they are in sin.

When Adam sinned, he lost his supernatural body so everyone born after him does not have a supernatural body.

That does not mean your body sins and you cannot control it as some falsely claim

God says it's appointed unto man to die once

Christians are called to walk after the Spirit not after the flesh and that's the game changer that enable us to not live after sin that some claim is not possible as an excuse to keep doing sinful behavior.

They'll tell you that they sin in word and deed every day and they just can't help it because they falsely believe they were born a sinner and the devil is laughing at them because that's the devil that started that false doctrine.






No, Adam was not deceived and he knew eating of that tree was sinful and he did it anyway.

satan is not forcibly overthrow Adam. Adam made the decision to disobey God.







That does not mean all the other people there that day were not chosen by God and the Lord prevented them from getting saved.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It's God's will that ALL men get saved and NONE perish:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
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You don’t understand what happened in the first earth age.
 
Stan_the_Man

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selahsays said:
Like I said, we’re in a fallen world and in flesh bodies that are not immortal. We will all die, right?
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No, your body will die but you will not.

Every one, sinner and saint alike will be reunited with their bodies and either spend eternity in the presence of the Lord or in the fires of hell




selahsays said:
No.
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Yes, they would have never died physically.

Their bodies were not effected by death until they became separated from the Lord which is spiritual death.
 
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Stan_the_Man said:
I already answered your question - Adam and Eve caused sin to come in to the world which has negative effects on mankind.
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I didn't ask you how sin came into the world. I asked how does an hour old baby who has no personal sin die? Only sinners die right? How do those negative effects cause the death of a baby?
 
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sawdust said:
I didn't ask you how sin came into the world. I asked how does an hour old baby who has no personal sin die? Only sinners die right?
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No. Innocent little babies die, too.
 
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Cameron143 said:
If Adam and Eve never sinned, would they still be alive? In the same body?
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Only if the Lord told them to eat from the Tree of Life.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. ​
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, ​
and live forever.” Genesis 3:22​
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grace and peace .........................
 
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Stan_the_Man said:
A lot of people are influenced by the false teachings of calvinism even though they aren't in agreement with calvinism.

Same is true for reformed theology as there are many who agree with tenants of reformed theology even as they claim to not be reformed theology believers.
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I'm not "a lot of people", I'm me and you are discussing the issue with me so it would help if you understood what I believed before you make assumptions.
 
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sawdust said:
I didn't ask you how sin came into the world. I asked how does an hour old baby who has no personal sin die? Only sinners die right?
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Not true.

Only calvinist teach the false doctrine that babies are sinners.

I already posted proof from God's Word that show that is false doctrine.
 
Cameron143

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Genez said:
Only if the Lord told them to eat from the Tree of Life.



And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. ​
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, ​
and live forever.” Genesis 3:22​

grace and peace .........................
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Right. They wouldn't have sinned under that scenario.
 
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