Maybe a thread on TULIP needs to be started, dealing with each letter. Though I understand there are degrees that some support and not others.
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Maybe a thread on TULIP needs to be started, dealing with each letter. Though I understand there are degrees that some support and not others.
Wrong again......
And here again, in black and white, the undeniable FACT of God's own CHOOSING. Of an individual. For specific service. Which undoubtedly happens to this very present day.
Act 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
This thread is OSAS. Which is inextricably linked to Gods own CHOOSING and election.
IMO....well within the topic boundaries.
once again, You fail to prove your point.
This is not a list of things they must do
it is a list of things they DO
ie, it is not prescriptive, It describes WHO gods people are.
nice try though
No, I didn't say it wasn't. Just thought it might be a good topic for a thread. So here's where I get tied up more than any other part of OSAS. God choosing to create a people for destruction. If there is an elect then there is an opposite. And here I get stuck in the quick sand. That God would create men, women and children to be destroyed, incapable of receiving salvation. Perhaps we could start there.
again, Descriptive. Not prescriptive.
Gods people do (not might do) Gods commands. Because God changed them
Sadly, He does not believe in the power of God to change people
He thinks he must change himself. and if he changes enough he will be saved
Its not calvinistic. Eternal life is eternal. whether you calvin or not
Let’s just make it clear. Revelation 22:14 says those who keep God’s commandments have right to the tree of life, but you’re saying keeping the commandments is not required to have right to the tree of life.
This is an easy one. who’s right: you or the Bible? The Bible is right and you’re wrong.
If you don’t keep God’s commandments you’re not accessing the tree of life.
I was just going to type that and read your response.
Audience relevance is so important, but the Calvinist slanters (cause they are not Calvinists
) tends to like avoid the context.
As you can (easily) see in my many posts, I am "heavily steeped" in pertinent (irrefutable) BIBLICAL REFERENCES.
And Calvin did not write my Bible.
I would agree, but I would also state that they do not have the full Good News and the simplicity of the Gospel is contaminated with extraneous false teachings.
I left some Calvinist teachings that I held so it does happen.
I think if one can lay down their biases and do a deep dive one will see that TULIP, whether it is TULIP lite or the TULIP traditional is not what God is revealing in His word.
what does it mean God will judge each person according to what they have done?
2 Corinthians 5
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.
seems pretty straightforward, but Paul didn’t really explain what happens to those bad works in 2 Corinthians 5.
However, Paul explained in Romans 2 that works aren’t just rewards. They’re the standard by which we are judged, given eternal life, or receive God’s wrath.
Romans 2
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”
7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.
No
I never said this at all. Once again you prove your compretension skills is lacking
how do you get Gods People DO his commands to equal Gods people may not DO his commands..
these are not the same
Imagine standing in front of God and realising you rejected his truth All because you hate calvinism.
That will make for a long eternity
That made me smile. May I ask what caused you to change your mind? As I said, there are just some things in TULIP that go too far for my understanding of the Word. I guess I've never really pressed my OSAS friends as to what decree they support TULIP.