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Lightskin said:
Answer my question with supportive evidence then I’ll answer yours.
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11th hour says I can.
You say I can.
It would take me hours to dig around for posts where you have both said this.
That's why I just came right out and asked you to answer the question.
I'm not being a jerk.
I'm not trying to provoke you.
I'm confident that you have made it clear that I can not sin and 'unbelieve' my way out of salvation.
Just let me know where you stand on it and save me the time of digging up old posts.

By the way, Dcontroversal says it too.
 
Judges1318 said:
If you no longer believe/ trust in Christ you no longer have the blood of Christ to cover you sins.
Your sinning from that point forward is held to your account, not Christ's anymore.
Christ does not pay the sin debt of people who do not believe/ trust in Him to do that.
The condition for having your sins forgiven is that you believe/ trust in Him.
You don't work to have your sins forgiven, you trust in the ministry of Christ in order to have your sins forgiven.

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment" - Hebrews 10:26


(Note: This is talking about the person who willfully sins in unbelief and a rejection of Christ. It's not talking about the struggling saint moving on to maturity through their continued believing. The blood of Christ covers that person. They still believe.)
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This is how dcontroversal responded to my assertion that if you stop believing you become accountable for your sins again and you are no longer saved:

dcontroversal said:
The above bolded is satanic.....It is not of God, not biblical and the Spirit of God would not lead a child of God to say such a thing. Having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us is clear enough.....you are as false as they come man!
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Judges1318 said:
11th hour says I can.
You say I can.
It would take me hours to dig around for posts where you have both said this.
That's why I just came right out and asked you to answer the question.
I'm not being a jerk.
I'm not trying to provoke you.
I'm confident that you have made it clear that I can not sin and 'unbelieve' my way out of salvation.
Just let me know where you stand on it and save me the time of digging up old posts.

By the way, Dcontroveral says it too.
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I think of the mafia hitman who honors God with his mouth but not his actions, therefore not his heart. Such a man is not Christian.

That said, a Christian can sin at will and not lose their salvation. In time however what we usually see is sanctification, a growth process by which people mature spiritually and cast aside the things they did as a child.

Those who refuse sanctification, they don’t lose their salvation but rather they lose out on heavenly rewards. Like Scripture teaches us, God’s grace is sufficient.
 
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Lightskin said:
I think of the mafia hitman who honors God with his mouth but not his actions, therefore not his heart. Such a man is not Christian.

That said, a Christian can sin at will and not lose their salvation. In time however what we usually see is sanctification, a growth process by which people mature spiritually and cast aside the things they did as a child.

Those who refuse sanctification, they don’t lose their salvation but rather they lose out on heavenly rewards. Like Scripture teaches us, God’s grace is sufficient.
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This is the new osas belief.
It is called 'Freegrace'.
Thank you for answering.
 
Lightskin said:
a Christian can sin at will and not lose their salvation...Those who refuse sanctification, they don’t lose their salvation but rather they lose out on heavenly rewards
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I sympathize with you Lightskin, but there is just simply no solid biblical foundation for this.

If you could just post a scripture (I mean it, not trying to be provacative) to support this, or at least explain from scripture how you arrived at this interpretation, it would help.

Warning signs don't always tell you the full consequence of ignoring the warning.

A wet floor sign my warn you of a slippery condition, but will not say you will fall and get injured.

A road sign my warn you of a bridge that's out, but will not say that you will drive off the cliff and die if you proceed.

Scriptures may warn you against sin, but will not tell you that you will lose your salvation.

But you can reasonably deduce from common sense what the consequences will be if you do not take heed the warnings seriously.

My intention is not to place a stumbling block before you, just something to meditate on through prayer with God.
 
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Judges1318 said:
If I did it would be because of the trials of life.
At present I have no plans to stop trusting in Christ's ministry right now interceding for me before God in heaven for the forgiveness of my sin.
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Ok, lets look at this from another perspective:

(Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?)

(Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons)

At what point does God (if there is ever a point) stop chastening his children?
 
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azamzimtoti said:
Ok, lets look at this from another perspective:

(Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?)

(Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons)

At what point does God (if there is ever a point) stop chastening his children?
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When they stop believing and willfully go back to their old lives of sin in that unbelief:

"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." - Hebrews 10:26-27
 
Judges1318 said:
And as far as the person who does not hold fast to the word of the gospel and goes back to unbelief, if that person refuses all efforts by God to get them to continue in their faith in Christ, God turns them over to their unbelief and they are not allowed to come back to faith in Christ. God does not allow it.
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Just for the record, @Lightskin , @star just disagreed with this.
Maybe she'll explain why.
 
Judges1318 said:
When they stop believing and willfully go back to their old lives of sin in that unbelief:

"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." - Hebrews 10:26-27
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I see you like to zoom in on this in Hebrews. I think a "simplistic" (for want of a better word) undermines the whole context. The writer has been comparing the "once" sacrifice of Christ with the Mosaic system of sacrifices for sin.

So to me the way you are reading it is that the Mosaic system is better because it did have a remedy for "continuing" sin, when those sacrifices were offered the sin was forgiven.
 
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