Not By Works
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11th hour says I can.
You say I can.
It would take me hours to dig around for posts where you have both said this.
That's why I just came right out and asked you to answer the question.
I'm not being a jerk.
I'm not trying to provoke you.
I'm confident that you have made it clear that I can not sin and 'unbelieve' my way out of salvation.
Just let me know where you stand on it and save me the time of digging up old posts.
By the way, Dcontroversal says it too.
You say I can.
It would take me hours to dig around for posts where you have both said this.
That's why I just came right out and asked you to answer the question.
I'm not being a jerk.
I'm not trying to provoke you.
I'm confident that you have made it clear that I can not sin and 'unbelieve' my way out of salvation.
Just let me know where you stand on it and save me the time of digging up old posts.
By the way, Dcontroversal says it too.
@Lightskin , do you agree with decontroversal?
@azamzimtoti , do you agree with decontroversal?
@EleventhHour , do you agree with decontroversal?
@posthuman , do you agree with decontroversal?
Honest questions, folks.
Not trying to provoke anybody.
@azamzimtoti , do you agree with decontroversal?
@EleventhHour , do you agree with decontroversal?
@posthuman , do you agree with decontroversal?
Honest questions, folks.
Not trying to provoke anybody.
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I think of the mafia hitman who honors God with his mouth but not his actions, therefore not his heart. Such a man is not Christian.
That said, a Christian can sin at will and not lose their salvation. In time however what we usually see is sanctification, a growth process by which people mature spiritually and cast aside the things they did as a child.
Those who refuse sanctification, they don’t lose their salvation but rather they lose out on heavenly rewards. Like Scripture teaches us, God’s grace is sufficient.
That said, a Christian can sin at will and not lose their salvation. In time however what we usually see is sanctification, a growth process by which people mature spiritually and cast aside the things they did as a child.
Those who refuse sanctification, they don’t lose their salvation but rather they lose out on heavenly rewards. Like Scripture teaches us, God’s grace is sufficient.
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I sympathize with you Lightskin, but there is just simply no solid biblical foundation for this.
If you could just post a scripture (I mean it, not trying to be provacative) to support this, or at least explain from scripture how you arrived at this interpretation, it would help.
Warning signs don't always tell you the full consequence of ignoring the warning.
A wet floor sign my warn you of a slippery condition, but will not say you will fall and get injured.
A road sign my warn you of a bridge that's out, but will not say that you will drive off the cliff and die if you proceed.
Scriptures may warn you against sin, but will not tell you that you will lose your salvation.
But you can reasonably deduce from common sense what the consequences will be if you do not take heed the warnings seriously.
My intention is not to place a stumbling block before you, just something to meditate on through prayer with God.
If you could just post a scripture (I mean it, not trying to be provacative) to support this, or at least explain from scripture how you arrived at this interpretation, it would help.
Warning signs don't always tell you the full consequence of ignoring the warning.
A wet floor sign my warn you of a slippery condition, but will not say you will fall and get injured.
A road sign my warn you of a bridge that's out, but will not say that you will drive off the cliff and die if you proceed.
Scriptures may warn you against sin, but will not tell you that you will lose your salvation.
But you can reasonably deduce from common sense what the consequences will be if you do not take heed the warnings seriously.
My intention is not to place a stumbling block before you, just something to meditate on through prayer with God.
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Ok, lets look at this from another perspective:
(Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?)
(Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons)
At what point does God (if there is ever a point) stop chastening his children?
(Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?)
(Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons)
At what point does God (if there is ever a point) stop chastening his children?
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When they stop believing and willfully go back to their old lives of sin in that unbelief:
"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." - Hebrews 10:26-27
"26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." - Hebrews 10:26-27
@star , @BillG , do you agree with dcontroversal?
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4230534
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4230534
I see you like to zoom in on this in Hebrews. I think a "simplistic" (for want of a better word) undermines the whole context. The writer has been comparing the "once" sacrifice of Christ with the Mosaic system of sacrifices for sin.
So to me the way you are reading it is that the Mosaic system is better because it did have a remedy for "continuing" sin, when those sacrifices were offered the sin was forgiven.
So to me the way you are reading it is that the Mosaic system is better because it did have a remedy for "continuing" sin, when those sacrifices were offered the sin was forgiven.