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Lightskin

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It is written, “All sinners among my people will die by the sword, all those who say disaster will not meet or overtake us.”

A painter, paints. A sinner, sins.

Reminds me of many on this thread who have bought a false gospel, hook, line and sinker... as the whole western christian church has, basically. 2 Cor. 11:3,4
I hope one day you’ll understand the actual concept of God’s grace.
 
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I hope one day you’ll understand the actual concept of God’s grace.
Lol. I was raised in “church”. See Jude 4, grace was turned into licentiousness. In truth, however, we get set free from sin and are made godly, as it is written: “He who does what is right is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil.” Truth.

It’s always been about our hearts and conduct and that’s what the real Jesus came to change. He didn’t come to forgive us, He came to liberate us and teach us to do the will of the Father in all things, as He did.
I hope that antichrists can come to understand grace before it is too late.
 
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You still are. You have my sympathies.
Lol. You can't hear the Word of God:

See Jude 4, grace was turned into licentiousness. In truth, however, we get set free from sin and are made godly, as it is written: “He who does what is right is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil.” Truth.

It’s always been about our hearts and conduct and that’s what the real Jesus came to change. He didn’t come to merely forgive us, He came to liberate us and teach us to do the will of the Father in all things, as He did.

It's the Good News of the Kingdom, or government, of God. Hallelujah!!! Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
 

Lightskin

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Lol. You can't hear the Word of God:

See Jude 4, grace was turned into licentiousness. In truth, however, we get set free from sin and are made godly, as it is written: “He who does what is right is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil.” Truth.

It’s always been about our hearts and conduct and that’s what the real Jesus came to change. He didn’t come to merely forgive us, He came to liberate us and teach us to do the will of the Father in all things, as He did.

It's the Good News of the Kingdom, or government, of God. Hallelujah!!! Righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
You judging everyone who disagrees with you as being guilty for licentiousness shows you’re guilty of wrongful judgment upon people who put their faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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I hope one day you’ll understand the actual concept of God’s grace.
Isn't it God's grace to not live in sin anymore, rather than it being God's grace that we can?

"11For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age" - Titus 2:11-12

Why do so many people see the grace of God as being able to not live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age instead of what the Bible says is God's grace in this life?
 

Lightskin

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Isn't it God's grace to not live in sin anymore, rather than it being God's grace that we can?

"11For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age" - Titus 2:11-12

Why do so many people see the grace of God as being able to not live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age instead of what the Bible says is God's grace?
You’re missing the point completely. People who believe in eternal security don’t push living in an ungodly manner. We simply recognize nothing separates us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus. His gift of grace is irrevocable.
 
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It is written, “All sinners among my people will die by the sword, all those who say disaster will not meet or overtake us.”

A painter, paints. A sinner, sins.
And a Pharisee Pharasees
Reminds me of many on this thread who have bought a false gospel, hook, line and sinker... as the whole western christian church has, basically. 2 Cor. 11:3,4
You obviously haven't understood the whole context of what Paul was speaking to.

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And what is their work that they need to lay down?
Instead of depending on one's own righteousness, depend on Christ's righteousness and his grace. It is resting in the security of salvation through faith in Jesus and resting in God's love and acceptance verses needing to earn/keep salvation or seeking to be good to be accepted.

For me part of what rest would look like is not having to have all my questions answered, trusting God loves me and will take care of me and trusting God with worries/cares/fears because he cares about me and is a whole lot wiser than I, so he can handle it.
 
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You judging everyone who disagrees with you as being guilty for licentiousness shows you’re guilty of wrongful judgment upon people who put their faith in Jesus Christ.
Any teaching that says grace makes it so we can use our freedom in Christ to indulge the flesh is making grace a license to sin.

13You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh a ; rather, serve one another humbly in love." - Galatians 5:13

The concept of grace is not that it gives us the freedom to sin, as the new osas teaches, but rather that grace makes it so we can, and should, resist the flesh and love others in obedience to God instead.
 
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People who believe in eternal security don’t push living in an ungodly manner. We simply recognize nothing separates us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus.
That's saying grace is a license to sin.
The Bible says that is a perversion of grace (Jude 1:4).
The Bible actually says that grace was given to us so we won't sin.
That's the un-perverted grace of God.

At least the old osas didn't make sin a license to sin.
It said if you're living unchanged in sin you simply aren't saved to begin with.
How did the Reformed movement go from living in sin being the sign that you were never saved to begin with to living in sin not having any relationship to salvation whatsoever?

At least that part of the old osas was correct, because that's exactly what the Bible says.
But this new osas belief, it directly violates the old osas belief about living in sin and unbelief.
That's why I'm surprised no old style osas believer will challenge the new osas.
 
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How did the Reformed movement go from living in sin being the sign that you were never saved to begin with to living in sin not having any relationship to salvation whatsoever?

At least that part of the old osas was correct, because that's exactly what the Bible says.
...Apart from the 'never' aspect, that is.

You can go back to your old life of sinning in unbelief and no longer be saved, your old life of sin and unbelief being the proof that you are not saved.
 

Lightskin

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That's saying grace is a license to sin.
I’m trying to maintain my cool with you judge but you’re making that a lesson in futility.

Paul writes about grace; we acknowledge that grace; you deem we’re proclaiming and encouraging people to sin in a godless, exponential manner.
 

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Instead of depending on one's own righteousness, depend on Christ's righteousness and his grace. It is resting in the security of salvation through faith in Jesus and resting in God's love and acceptance verses needing to earn/keep salvation or seeking to be good to be accepted.
This ^^^^ is the Gospel, pure and simple.