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EleventhHour said:
Always the same ole tired accusation and another irony is that you do not even know what you are actually claiming.

Those that make this false accusation are actually promoting their own worthiness.

Only a heart of a person that feels more righteous than others would make this accusation.

Paul states that those who argue grace is a license to sin, argue from a heart of disbelief.

I on the other hand am quite aware that my works do not achieve my salvation, nor keep my salvation.... but you do believe this... so you have disbelief about the Grace of God.

Next time you make that false accusation also remember Paul stated their "condemnation is just"
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The same crap that lost men accused Paul of....!
 
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Judges1318 said:
I don't say anything that the Lord has not already said in the scriptures.

"God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit." - 1 Thessalonians 4:7-8

It is hard sometimes to remember that it is the Lord that is being resisted when the command to live a holy life gets pooh-poohed as being a self-righteous works gospel.
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Sure you do....everytime you peddle a self maintained faith to keep salvation!
 
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gb9 said:
I am not pooh-poohing anything of the sort.

you say correctly that one has to believe and keep believing to saved.

then you throw in the lordship salvation lie that righteous living is " proof " of salvation, thus undercutting what you said correctly .

and, as far as 1st Thessalonians 4, Paul was speaking of being sexually pure when He said what you quoted.

it was not general statement.
go peddle your lordship salvation on someone who does not know Scripture. it will not work on someone who does.
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@gb9 I had given an agree...

you say correctly that one has to believe and keep believing to saved.
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But I disagree with this statement.

I really wish you would reconsider your conditional salvation position.
 
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Tellion said:
Also can be translated "prove to me your righteousness in this matter." You and I, brother, have trouble communicating. I will answer your question about the praise music I like. I have always been a fan of both Keith Green and Phil Keaggy. While I don't believe their music is perfect, I have a lot of of criticism (not a qualifier for disqualification, admitting my own personal belief which has holes in it influences this) for modern praise music, and find myself sticking to the palms and hymns for the most part.
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I like it all, except so-called Christian Hard Rock, that seems like a contradiction of terms to me.

I like to try to imagine the HEART of the Song Writer as I sing to HIM, picturing why HE chose those specific words.

When we have a choir, I like to look at the faces, and I can tell who is singing to the LORD, and who is only singing to the audience.

WHY ? ? ? It Blesses my HEART (Human Spirit), when they are SINGING TO THE LORD!

I also find that when I go on YouTube, and find a Special Praise Song, and listen to it just before I go to sleep, more often than NOT, that song will be playing in my head, when I wake up. My human spirit, just smiles with joy, when that happens.

Here is one of my favorite Praise Songs:

 
EleventhHour said:
Are you sure?

Maybe you are sayin this because you think you are some tough guy with a stomach of steel.

:D

We all know what auto shop coffee tastes like...:sick:
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Lol I'd prefer instant coffee with too much or not enough water over starbucks🤣

That being said my favorite is mixing any strong coffee with hot chocolate.. I may not be the biggest coffee expert ...
 
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VCO said:
Now we have something in common. I am a cheapskate with most things, such as food and clothes. BUT why I comes to my COFFEE, I got the COFFEE ROASTER, and buy fresh ground coffee, even though it costs $16 a pound. Coffee from Kenya, and Panama, are my two favorite Coffees.
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I was started very early (product of being a Dutch child, maybe?) at nine years old. When I was fourteen, after being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and they took my sugar away, I started drinking it black, and boy, after that you become far more picky about your coffee. I can't quite afford sixteen dollars a pound, but if I could, I'd probably spend it.
OneOfHis said:
Lol I'd prefer instant coffee with too much or not enough water over starbucks🤣

That being said my favorite is mixing any strong coffee with hot chocolate.. I may not be the biggest coffee expert ...
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I only have this to say about Starbucks: if you can't get a black coffee right, probably shouldn't be making all the fancies that come after it. Burnt, bitter, or cold every time.
 
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Tellion said:
I was started very early (product of being a Dutch child, maybe?) at nine years old. When I was fourteen, after being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and they took my sugar away, I started drinking it black, and boy, after that you become far more picky about your coffee. I can't quite afford sixteen dollars a pound, but if I could, I'd probably spend it.
I only have this to say about Starbucks: if you can't get a black coffee right, probably shouldn't be making all the fancies that come after it. Burnt, bitter, or cold every time.
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YEAH, I HATE STARBUCKS BURNT BEAN TASTE. The two I buy are Medium Roast.
 
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