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Melach said:
i can also say constant fear is no good i hated insecurity. perfect love casts out fear.
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Amen! Been there, done that. Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically saw God as a tyrant who couldn't wait to punish me every time I messed up. That is an unhealthy fear! I also lived in fear and bondage to IN-security and I was miserable! Perfect love certainly does cast out fear (1 John 4:18) and now as a believer, my fear of the Lord revolves around reverence instead of an unhealthy fear. :)
 
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Melach said:
i dont blame the bees for leaving. they are afraid for their lifes
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Well as always it is push and pull from different groups, some need the pesticide for their crops and the scientists have been warning for years of the damage caused be the incesticide.... however no bees no pollination no plants.
 
mailmandan said:
Amen! Been there, done that. Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically saw God as a tyrant who couldn't wait to punish me every time I messed up. That is an unhealthy fear! I also lived in fear and bondage to IN-security and I was miserable! Perfect love certainly does cast out fear (1 John 4:18) and now as a believer, my fear of the Lord revolves around reverence instead of an unhealthy fear.
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I can relate:(
Interestingly, God used that fear in my conversion.
 
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PS said:
My post is based on:

Heb 6:4-6 KJV For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 10:26-27 KJV For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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Read and study the whole book first.
 
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Judges1318 said:
...If they keep believing.
If the Word remains in you, you will remain in the Son and the Father:

24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. - 1 John 2:24

It's a conditional statement. Remaining in the Son is conditional on the believer retaining the Word in them in continued believing.

Here it is again:

I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. - 1 Corinthians 15:1-2
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Again a complete misunderstanding of what Paul is instructing and the language he is using.
 
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EleventhHour said:
You mean like the "keep believing or lose salvation" theory?
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People who obsess over the "keep believing or lose your salvation" theory and relentlessly attack the OSAS doctrine seem to view salvation as "slippery grace" and make it sound like continuing to believe the gospel is a difficult burden of self effort and self preservation and seem to put little or no stock at all in God's preservation. (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) Such people seem satisfied with believing that Christians all around them are losing their salvation, but that is not the case for them because they have worked so hard at preserving themselves. Now guess who gets ALL the credit for that? :rolleyes:
 
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Amen God preserves our salvation because He imputes righ
Perfect giphy.....that is exactly right.
mailmandan said:
People who obsess over the "keep believing or lose your salvation" theory and relentlessly attack the OSAS doctrine seem to view salvation as "slippery grace" and make it sound like continuing to believe the gospel is a difficult burden of self effort and self preservation and seem to put little or no stock at all in God's preservation. (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) Such people seem satisfied with believing that Christians all around them are losing their salvation, but that is not the case for them because they have worked so hard at preserving themselves. Now guess who gets ALL the credit for that? :rolleyes:
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Amen and Amen... so happy to know that God preserves us. I give all glory and honour to Him.

Strange how they never quote this verse from Hebrews.

Hebrews 13:5-6, “Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.”
 
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John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.

John 10:14
I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me,

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Our LORD Jesus knows who are His...

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

We are His sheep , protected from the wolves , they try to so hard to put fear into us by their losable salvation , but our Lord and Savior says " NO , THEY ARE MINE , My Father gave them to Me \:)/.
...xox...
 
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Lightskin said:
Post #124,927: “The true Christian is eternally saved because they never leave the Saviour."
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Yes they deceitfully flip it around ... put the focus back on man.

The truth is that we are eternally saved because He never, ever leaves us!!
If he never leaves us...He never leaves us and our "will" has no place in the conversation.
 
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