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dcontroversal said:
Well, off to teach a handful of neighbors for 1.5 hours straight.....Imagine most "church members" willingly sitting through 1.5 hours of bible instruction without constantly checking watches, the clock or mouthing, griping and complaining under their breath HAHHAH

Keep swinging the swords (those that teach the truth that is)
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Wow is this guy still going on?
I've got a roast in the oven.
What time is it now?
I'll check on my phone.
Mable why have you turned away?
Does my breath smell?
What time is it now?
Mable I need a pee.
Do you think he will notice if I get up a go for one?
What time is it now?
Mable wake up.
What time does the watch say?
Mable I've just wet myself.

Joshing with you bro.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Hi Dcon...
May the word of our Lord be spoken out from your mouth by the leading of the Holy Spirit...
May ears be opened and hearts softened to the wonders of God...
It is important to pray for those who teach others , have a blessed day my brother...
...xox...
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Amen Rose and thanks........good lesson on the Prodigy of Babylon from Daniel, Revelation and the world wide conspiracy found in Psalm 2.....
 
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BillG said:
Wow is this guy still going on?
I've got a roast in the oven.
What time is it now?
I'll check on my phone.
Mable why have you turned away?
Does my breath smell?
What time is it now?
Mable I need a pee.
Do you think he will notice if I get up a go for one?
What time is it now?
Mable wake up.
What time does the watch say?
Mable I've just wet myself.

Joshing with you bro.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHHAH they love it and eat it up every Sunday...... ;)
 
UnderGrace said:
Not sure you will agree, but unfortunately there are also people who hold to eternal security that are also false teachers?

Satan likes to keep all his bases covered.
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My view on the gospel is clear....there is one correct message...if it is corrupted by a losable salvation or salvation that can be forfeit...it was a false through and through.....
 
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VCO said:
Can you honestly say HE is your Personal LORD, which means Master? That is where Born Again begins.
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Interesting since there are many people who are born again and have never heard of lordship salvation doctrine?

The one where two stipulations are in place to be saved, which is wrong.

Scripture teaches one way to be saved.

And Jesus is Lord.

What I find very interesting how the exact some accusation comes up each time.

If Jesus Christ is not the Lord and Master of your life, He is NOT your Saviour.

The promise to make Jesus master of one's life at the point of conversion then makes salvation not by grace.

I hold to the simplicity in the Gospel in Christ Jesus

It is the Gospel of Grace not the Gospel of Lordship/Performance

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." —John 3:16

A Gospel which requires a person to make Christ the Master of his life to be saved—is not biblical!
Again that makes the Gospel based on our promise to Him.

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
 
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dcontroversal said:
My view on the gospel is clear....there is one correct message...if it is corrupted by a losable salvation or salvation that can be forfeit...it was a false through and through.....
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I agree, all I am saying there are false teachers that will state they believe OSAS but are not saved either.
It is just a doctrine they have adopted, but it is not a living belief fueled by he Holy Spirit because they were not saved either, especially if they like to sell books to a certain audience.

I am just speaking in the hypothetical, I have learned to be cautious on all fronts that's all.
 
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So what could be the Next Great Prophesy to be Fulfilled ? ? ?

I believe we are near the end. How Close Are WE ? ? ?

No one knows, except the Father?

This 11 minutes and 25 seconds, gives us a glimpse of what the Rapture may be like:

 
UnderGrace said:
Interesting since there are many people who are born again and have never heard of lordship salvation doctrine?

The one where two stipulations are in place to be saved, which is wrong.

Scripture teaches one way to be saved.

And Jesus is Lord.

What I find very interesting how the exact some accusation comes up each time.

If Jesus Christ is not the Lord and Master of your life, He is NOT your Saviour.

The promise to make Jesus master of one's life at the point of conversion then makes salvation not by grace.

I hold to the simplicity in the Gospel in Christ Jesus

It is the Gospel of Grace not the Gospel of Lordship/Performance

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." —John 3:16

A Gospel which requires a person to make Christ the Master of his life to be saved—is not biblical!
Again that makes the Gospel based on our promise to Him.

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
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Jesus is our Lord and Master even when we sin. When we sin it doesn't mean he is not our Lord, it just shows we are sinners in need of a Savior and sheep who need their Sherpherd. He is also our teacher who helps us walk in his ways. ❤
 
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CherieR said:
Jesus is our Lord and Master even when we sin. When we sin it doesn't mean he is not our Lord, it just shows we are sinners in need of a Savior and sheep who need their Sherpherd. He is also our teacher who helps us walk in his ways. ❤
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Agree, at the point is salvation it is all of Grace not for promises to do something in order to receive salvation. That is complete folly.
 
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HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHA on a completely different side note.....I had 4 of my cats on the front porch looking in my window at me and so I googled cats meowing and screaming.....HAHAHHAHHAHHA they all flipped out....were breaking their necks looking for the source and like the wind split and vanished like a ghost HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAH
 
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dcontroversal said:
HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHA on a completely different side note.....I had 4 of my cats on the front porch looking in my window at me and so I googled cats meowing and screaming.....HAHAHHAHHAHHA they all flipped out....were breaking their necks looking for the source and like the wind split and vanished like a ghost HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAH
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That would have made a great video!

I will admit to having wasted a few hours here and there watching cat videos on YouTube
 
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UnderGrace said:
That would have made a great video!

I will admit to having wasted a few hours here and there watching cat videos on YouTube
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I love cats.....they are hilarious....Mine hunt squirrels in the trees, my roofs, and are like monkeys.......Nothing to see one up the top of a tree trying to catch a squirrel.......I mess with them all the time....had them chasing a green laser the other day all over the yard....was hilarious.....HAH
 
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dcontroversal said:
I love cats.....they are hilarious....Mine hunt squirrels in the trees, my roofs, and are like monkeys.......Nothing to see one up the top of a tree trying to catch a squirrel.......I mess with them all the time....had them chasing a green laser the other day all over the yard....was hilarious.....HAH
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I totally get it ... amazing when they spring up on all fours.
 
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1st September...

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dcontroversal said:
Both migo.......

Apostasy/MAN of SIN revealed 1st

POST Great Trib/PRE-Wrath ingathering

I was raised in a church that taught pre-trib....I believed it, stood on it, dogmatically defended it.......then I had to teach through 1st and 2nd Thessalonians and while studying through the bible twice a year in Seminary I began to see things that did not jive with the pre-trib "rapture"

There are too many contradictions IMV to embrace that view any longer......
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I spent some time today on review re: rapture and great tribulation.
IMO, the opinions regarding timing hinge upon what one defines as the "revealing" of the Man of Sin. Is it at the beginning of the 7 year covenant he makes with Israel (my view....so far) or is it when the anti-Christ breaks the covenant after 42 months (many other commentators including MacArthur seem to favor this view).

It could go either way, but Rev 11:2-3 clears up the matter for me.

“Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Much and many of the extreme horrors of the Tribulation period (all the way up to the 6th trumpet in fact) including opening of the bottomless pit and demonic torments.
Unless the book or Revelation is out of order regarding these incidents, I must conclude that the Harpazo event occurs a little before the beginning of the 7 year covenant. This to remove His Bride from what must be considered Wrath for all intents and purposes.

Another point: it seems likely that Israel will "receive" the anti-Christ as their messiah. That is enough of a revealing for me.
 
cv5 said:
I spent some time today on review re: rapture and great tribulation.
IMO, the opinions regarding timing hinge upon what one defines as the "revealing" of the Man of Sin. Is it at the beginning of the 7 year covenant he makes with Israel (my view....so far) or is it when the anti-Christ breaks the covenant after 42 months (many other commentators including MacArthur seem to favor this view).

It could go either way, but Rev 11:2-3 clears up the matter for me.

“Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Much and many of the extreme horrors of the Tribulation period (all the way up to the 6th trumpet in fact) including opening of the bottomless pit and demonic torments.
Unless the book or Revelation is out of order regarding these incidents, I must conclude that the Harpazo event occurs a little before the beginning of the 7 year covenant. This to remove His Bride from what must be considered Wrath for all intents and purposes.

Another point: it seems likely that Israel will "receive" the anti-Christ as their messiah. That is enough of a revealing for me.
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Not my view......especially last line......Paul was clear writing to the Thessalonian church....EVERY MAN JEW or GENTILE that will not receive the love of the truth will receive the BEAST......and Zechariah is equally clear...there is a REMNANT of the JEWISH population that WILL be reserved unto GOD......

I do not agree with the 7 year covenant after study and according to Daniel 12 there is only 1335 days LEFT not 7 years........My view after study....the first 1185 days of the 70th week was fulfilled in the ministry of JESUS unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel......that leaves the 1335 days that are left.......

Revelation was written to the churches NOT Israel......and GOD was clear...the faithful will be hedged up and protected during the Great Tribulation and the WRATH of GOD is announced at the 7th TRUMP of Revelation as being here and having arrived....NOT at the 6th seal when LOST MEN hiding say it has arrived.....

Anther thing....study the word SAINTS........that is who the BEAST/LITTLE HORN makes war against and prevails against them for 3.5 years/42 months or 1260 days...............
 
dcontroversal said:
Not my view......especially last line......Paul was clear writing to the Thessalonian church....EVERY MAN JEW or GENTILE that will not receive the love of the truth will receive the BEAST......and Zechariah is equally clear...there is a REMNANT of the JEWISH population that WILL be reserved unto GOD......

I do not agree with the 7 year covenant after study and according to Daniel 12 there is only 1335 days LEFT not 7 years........My view after study....the first 1185 days of the 70th week was fulfilled in the ministry of JESUS unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel......that leaves the 1335 days that are left.......

Revelation was written to the churches NOT Israel......and GOD was clear...the faithful will be hedged up and protected during the Great Tribulation and the WRATH of GOD is announced at the 7th TRUMP of Revelation as being here and having arrived....NOT at the 6th seal when LOST MEN hiding say it has arrived.....

Anther thing....study the word SAINTS........that is who the BEAST/LITTLE HORN makes war against and prevails against them for 3.5 years/42 months or 1260 days...............
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Very very interesting re 1185 and 1335. More study. Thanks and regards.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Not my view......especially last line......Paul was clear writing to the Thessalonian church....EVERY MAN JEW or GENTILE that will not receive the love of the truth will receive the BEAST......and Zechariah is equally clear...there is a REMNANT of the JEWISH population that WILL be reserved unto GOD......
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lets think this pretrib rapture thing thru. if millions of people get raptured it would prove all the left behind movies and preachers right and everyone would convert. thats such irrefutable proof and miracle that no one would follow the devil anymore.

the bible never talks about what to do when you are left behind or warns anyone of being left behind and how tribulation start then. its just not there.
 
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Melach said:
lets think this pretrib rapture thing thru. if millions of people get raptured it would prove all the left behind movies and preachers right and everyone would convert. thats such irrefutable proof and miracle that no one would follow the devil anymore.

the bible never talks about what to do when you are left behind or warns anyone of being left behind and how tribulation start then. its just not there.
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Pre-trib does not jive with scripture..........and the thing that makes me chuckle....those that divide his coming into two separate events...

was
is
is to come

ALL things must jive with one coming (body presence)
 
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