Not By Works

[Budman]

What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all!

Um, I think this verse you posted actually nullifies your position.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Galatians 5:7-15 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

you typically post many verses as is

just to post them

well you cut out 1-6 of galatians 5

Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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are you here to discuss how salvation is by grace through faith and not by works
and how these verses are related to this truth?

 

[ElAmor]

Amen......more Catholic dogma from the parrot........

Just keep on talking and calling names but as it is written;

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Revelation 3:2-6 wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

NNM called me a hypocrite for calling those with DEAD Faith as ZOMBIES and are just WALKING DEAD.

Funny how they like your name calling, indignation and bullying instead of answering questions
accdg to 1 peter 3:15-16 for the edification and benefit of the readers.

Ephesians 4:29-32 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

 

[ElAmor]

you typically post many verses as is

just to post them

well you cut out 1-6 of galatians 5

Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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are you here to discuss how salvation is by grace through faith and not by works
and how these verses are related to this truth?

After calling me a hypocrite while ignoring those of your group who really don't want to discuss but to argue and insult those who disagree with them and start name calling which is their best defense. I've already been notified by the mods re: a complaint when i intentionally called dcon for certain behaviours for people like him to receive the same things they do to another. So i already have a warning from the mods and you can do me a favor by reporting me of calling those who are WALKING DEAD as ZOMBIES.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

 

[ElAmor]

you typically post many verses as is

just to post them

well you cut out 1-6 of galatians 5

Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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are you here to discuss how salvation is by grace through faith and not by works
and how these verses are related to this truth?

2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.



Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?

Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

[NoNameMcgee]

NNM called me a hypocrite for calling those with DEAD Faith as ZOMBIES and are just WALKING DEAD

no

i just woke up from a nap to look
and im about to lay back down

but i didnt call you a hypocrite for that

i called you that for constantly giving scriptures and ignoring those given to you, then posting more out of context

while constantly giving reproof (wrongly in most cases) but not accepting any....


calling brothers and sisters here zombies is another thing entirely

(that you should also stop doing)

i dont pay attention to all your posts
but if youre suggesting you never ever called someone here a zombie
or never suggested that they were a zombie

ill go back and check when i wake up

you dont have that many posts to look through

if im wrong for suggesting you did call a brother or sister in Christ a zombie ill say sorry


but while im doing this if you deny being a hypocrite
i can also get proof of that while im at it

(not making a threat... again if im wrong ill say sorry i am under the impession im being 100% open and honest)

if i am guilty of doing something i shouldnt have and its brought to my attention i wont turn from it or try to hide it or reject it

ive definitely been wrong before

on CC

and in person

 

[LightLoveHope]

How honest are people?

If one holds to "free grace" theology, why not just declare it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_grace_theology

The above link shows the theological position of this group.
In truth, as I said before arguing about foundations does not get anywhere if one does
not acknowledge the assumptions involved. Like talking to a JW, until they listen to Jesus
and love and how Jesus changes us, you are just listening to their teachers.

So equally here on cc, to say to obey the commands is to believe in Jesus, is free grace
perspective which the evangelical church reject.

Almost every statement by some members runs to this theological script, so it is no
surprise we do not agree over most of what salvation is and how we walk with Jesus.

It is like wondering why a person is suffering so badly from and illness, and then you find
the disease and it is all clear. Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

This might for some make them realise why certain disagreements arise which are not
because someone is evil, but the logical following of a school of theology.

Someone earlier claimed God is not logical. I would actually disagree, justice is always
logical and responsibility for sin resides with the person who has committed it.

 

[MattforJesus]

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

That should say it right there for the body cannot survive without the spirit,and faith cannot survive without works.

That is because we still have a choice between good and evil after we are saved,and we are not forced to do right,so we have to initiate doing good before the Spirit will lead us in which we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we can handle,and will give us an escape from the temptation.

So there is no excuse they cannot abstain from sin,for if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and they are tempted where they can handle it,so how could they not beat the temptation and sinned.

Sin does not affect our relationship with God does not apply.

Charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and faith works by love,so if we do not have works of love then faith does not apply,which John said do not love in word only,but in deed and in truth.

That is why the Bible warns us to have works because some people lack those works in which faith then does not apply in their life,and that is why Paul,James,and John,all say the same thing have charity,works of love,or you have erred from the faith.

Works saves us because it is our love that saves us that can only be done by works,in deed and in truth.

Name calling,and belittling is not love.

That is what is strange about those that believe they are chosen,and elect,that they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel,but how can the chosen,and elect,say and believe such things.

It does not compute.

It is like if you say be Christlike and stress that they are not happy for you,but it seems like they would rather you sin so they can say see I told you that you could not abstain from sin,instead of wanting you not to sin and be Christlike for that is what Jesus wants.

 

[dcontroversal]

Just keep on talking and calling names but as it is written;

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Revelation 3:2-6 wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

NNM called me a hypocrite for calling those with DEAD Faith as ZOMBIES and are just WALKING DEAD.

Funny how they like your name calling, indignation and bullying instead of answering questions
accdg to 1 peter 3:15-16 for the edification and benefit of the readers.

Ephesians 4:29-32 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

When you quit parroting your regurgitated false religion...........

 

[dcontroversal]

Name calling,and belittling is not love.

[/QUOTE\]

Tell that to Jesus when you stand before him

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men
Hypocrites
Blind leaders of the blind
Their father the devil
etc.....

And John
Generation of vipers
Snakes

 

[ElAmor]

Name calling,and belittling is not love.

[/QUOTE\]

Tell that to Jesus when you stand before him

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men
Hypocrites
Blind leaders of the blind
Their father the devil
etc.....

And John
Generation of vipers
Snakes

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Another day.........and the gospel is still the same....Jesus went to the cross of Calvary to pay for the sins of the whole world....he was in the tomb three days and nights and (ana-stasis) stood again for our justification.

ALL who exercise saving faith into the work of Christ will have your sin debt covered, the imputed righteousness of Christ which = saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ eternally.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he SAVED US (past tense)

Trust JESUS...believe the gospel of salvation.....it is based entirely upon faith with NO STRINGS attached, regardless of those who attempt to embellish it or top it off with works and some sort of sinless perfectionism.

ElAmor

What do you mean by "exercise" isn't it to practice and not just say and claim or just a lip service? Do you preach about a genuine saving Faith without doing anything? Is preaching not a work? Assuming that Faith alone saves, can a person have Faith and be saved without someone preaching to them the Gospel of salvation?

If you are a preacher, can you say that you are not doing a work? If it is so then what are you doing? Is preaching the Gospel of our salvation irrelevant or unnecessary to our salvation? Does it embellish or add anything to your Faith ALONE doctrine?

dcon’s reply;

Take 1 second and actually think about and ponder what this thread is about.....serious.....it is about HOW ONE IS SAVED not WHAT THEY DO AFTER THEY ARE SAVED.....it IS FAITH ALONE THAT SAVES.....end of story........!

ElAmor

If “ Faith ALONE" saves, can one have faith without hearing the message? The verses below proves that a work is needed and essential to salvation….PREACHING.

It is not of ourselves that we may not boast.( ephesians 2:8-9 ) A Faith that works in Love.( galatians 5:6 ) A “selfless LOVE" that thinks about the welfare and SALVATION OF OTHERS and not just his own interests.( philippians 2:3-4, 1 john 3:16-18 )

Romans 10:14-17 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE PREACHING TO THEM? And how can they preach UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words, who says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

[dcontroversal]

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Another day.........and the gospel is still the same....Jesus went to the cross of Calvary to pay for the sins of the whole world....he was in the tomb three days and nights and (ana-stasis) stood again for our justification.

ALL who exercise saving faith into the work of Christ will have your sin debt covered, the imputed righteousness of Christ which = saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ eternally.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he SAVED US (past tense)

Trust JESUS...believe the gospel of salvation.....it is based entirely upon faith with NO STRINGS attached, regardless of those who attempt to embellish it or top it off with works and some sort of sinless perfectionism.

ElAmor

What do you mean by "exercise" isn't it to practice and not just say and claim or just a lip service? Do you preach about a genuine saving Faith without doing anything? Is preaching not a work? Assuming that Faith alone saves, can a person have Faith and be saved without someone preaching to them the Gospel of salvation?

If you are a preacher, can you say that you are not doing a work? If it is so then what are you doing? Is preaching the Gospel of our salvation irrelevant or unnecessary to our salvation? Does it embellish or add anything to your Faith ALONE doctrine?

dcon’s reply;

Take 1 second and actually think about and ponder what this thread is about.....serious.....it is about HOW ONE IS SAVED not WHAT THEY DO AFTER THEY ARE SAVED.....it IS FAITH ALONE THAT SAVES.....end of story........!

ElAmor

If “ Faith ALONE" saves, can one have faith without hearing the message? The verses below proves that a work is needed and essential to salvation….PREACHING.

It is not of ourselves that we may not boast.( ephesians 2:8-9 ) A Faith that works in Love.( galatians 5:6 ) A “selfless LOVE" that thinks about the welfare and SALVATION OF OTHERS and not just his own interests.( philippians 2:3-4, 1 john 3:16-18 )

Romans 10:14-17 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE PREACHING TO THEM? And how can they preach UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE MESSAGE, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words, who says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

More regurgitated false dogma.....with a Catholic lemon twist I might add.....

 

[ElAmor]

More regurgitated false dogma.....with a Catholic lemon twist I might add.....

Where's the ANSWER accdg to 1 peter 3:16-17? See my point? You just like to provoke people to argue and respond as you do. Who's image does that portray? Or maybe you just want to make a Guiness record for whatsoever reason, just maybe for the wrong intentions.

John 12:42-50 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; FOR THEY LOVE PRAISE FROM MEN MORE THAN PRAISE FROM GOD. Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one WHO REJECTS ME and does not accept my words; THAT VERY WORD which I spoke WILL CONDEMN HIM at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[ElAmor]

More regurgitated false dogma.....with a Catholic lemon twist I might add.....

Where's the ANSWER accdg to 1 peter 3:16-17? See my point? You just like to provoke people to argue and respond as you do. Who's image does that portray? Or maybe you just want to make a Guiness record for whatsoever reason, just maybe for the wrong intentions.

John 12:42-50 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; FOR THEY LOVE PRAISE FROM MEN MORE THAN PRAISE FROM GOD. Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one WHO REJECTS ME and does not accept my words; THAT VERY WORD which I spoke WILL CONDEMN HIM at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[Katy-follower]

Tell that to Jesus when you stand before him

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men
Hypocrites
Blind leaders of the blind
Their father the devil
etc.....

And John
Generation of vipers
Snakes

And to add. You reminded me of this scripture too...

Jude 1:23: "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have compassion, making a distinction but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh"

 

[Katy-follower]

I'm pretty sure that if John the baptist were here today he would be getting thrown out of a lot of churches today, probably even arrested many times

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm pretty sure that if John the baptist were here today he would be getting thrown out of a lot of churches today, probably even arrested many times

Jesus himself would have been rejected as a heretic!

 

[Katy-follower]

Jesus himself would have been rejected as a heretic!

Very true. And many would probably call Him narrow minded (especially the ecumenicals)... but then narrow is actually the way

 

[stillness]

It appears there is eternal security for those who don't hold any unforgiveness, though this may appear easy until we are in trouble, to forgive our enemies. "For if you forgive not neither will your Father in heaven forgive you." "Offences will come," To expose where we can be shaken, so that we may turn to the Lord. the Holy Spirit enables us to Love as Jesus Loved us and forgive our enemies, this is why the new commandment was only Given in time to receive the Holy Spirit. "All manner of sin shall be forgiven to man but rejecting the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to man."

 

[preston39]

How honest are people?

If one holds to "free grace" theology, why not just declare it.
Saying someone is lying or deceived or evil because they disagree with "free grace" is a given.
Every theological position has its answers to obvious verses and ideas that contradict.

Within ones understanding one can look at these questions and debate them, but unless one
is willing to concede with a good heart you can hold both positions, it becomes a little futile.

And the irony is, inherent within some positions, one does not have a good heart, and has known
unresolved sin, but that is ok, because sin does not need to be resolved or worked through.

As long as believers hold to this level of impurity, as a given, I have nothing left to say, than
grace be unto you, until you find purity you will never see God.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Matt 5:8

I hope you understand this is not a command, because we cannot chose to be pure in
heart, we can though submit to purification through repentance, confession and faith in
the cross, working through our emotions and responses and letting love reign.

L...,

Many folks who have opposing conclusion are so insecure in that thinking that they attack other view points ...in defense thereby, loosing common sense perspective.

We see it here ...many times.