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you typically post many verses as is
just to post them
well you cut out 1-6 of galatians 5
Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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are you here to discuss how salvation is by grace through faith and not by works
and how these verses are related to this truth?
just to post them
well you cut out 1-6 of galatians 5
Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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are you here to discuss how salvation is by grace through faith and not by works
and how these verses are related to this truth?
Just keep on talking and calling names but as it is written;
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
Revelation 3:2-6 wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
NNM called me a hypocrite for calling those with DEAD Faith as ZOMBIES and are just WALKING DEAD.
Funny how they like your name calling, indignation and bullying instead of answering questions
accdg to 1 peter 3:15-16 for the edification and benefit of the readers.
Ephesians 4:29-32 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
Revelation 3:2-6 wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
NNM called me a hypocrite for calling those with DEAD Faith as ZOMBIES and are just WALKING DEAD.
Funny how they like your name calling, indignation and bullying instead of answering questions
accdg to 1 peter 3:15-16 for the edification and benefit of the readers.
Ephesians 4:29-32 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
After calling me a hypocrite while ignoring those of your group who really don't want to discuss but to argue and insult those who disagree with them and start name calling which is their best defense. I've already been notified by the mods re: a complaint when i intentionally called dcon for certain behaviours for people like him to receive the same things they do to another. So i already have a warning from the mods and you can do me a favor by reporting me of calling those who are WALKING DEAD as ZOMBIES.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.
John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.
John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
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no
i just woke up from a nap to look
and im about to lay back down
but i didnt call you a hypocrite for that
i called you that for constantly giving scriptures and ignoring those given to you, then posting more out of context
while constantly giving reproof (wrongly in most cases) but not accepting any....
calling brothers and sisters here zombies is another thing entirely
(that you should also stop doing)
i dont pay attention to all your posts
but if youre suggesting you never ever called someone here a zombie
or never suggested that they were a zombie
ill go back and check when i wake up
you dont have that many posts to look through
if im wrong for suggesting you did call a brother or sister in Christ a zombie ill say sorry
but while im doing this if you deny being a hypocrite
i can also get proof of that while im at it
(not making a threat... again if im wrong ill say sorry i am under the impession im being 100% open and honest)
if i am guilty of doing something i shouldnt have and its brought to my attention i wont turn from it or try to hide it or reject it
ive definitely been wrong before
on CC
and in person
i just woke up from a nap to look
and im about to lay back down
but i didnt call you a hypocrite for that
i called you that for constantly giving scriptures and ignoring those given to you, then posting more out of context
while constantly giving reproof (wrongly in most cases) but not accepting any....
calling brothers and sisters here zombies is another thing entirely
(that you should also stop doing)
i dont pay attention to all your posts
but if youre suggesting you never ever called someone here a zombie
or never suggested that they were a zombie
ill go back and check when i wake up
you dont have that many posts to look through
if im wrong for suggesting you did call a brother or sister in Christ a zombie ill say sorry
but while im doing this if you deny being a hypocrite
i can also get proof of that while im at it
(not making a threat... again if im wrong ill say sorry i am under the impession im being 100% open and honest)
if i am guilty of doing something i shouldnt have and its brought to my attention i wont turn from it or try to hide it or reject it
ive definitely been wrong before
on CC
and in person
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_grace_theology
The above link shows the theological position of this group.
In truth, as I said before arguing about foundations does not get anywhere if one does
not acknowledge the assumptions involved. Like talking to a JW, until they listen to Jesus
and love and how Jesus changes us, you are just listening to their teachers.
So equally here on cc, to say to obey the commands is to believe in Jesus, is free grace
perspective which the evangelical church reject.
Almost every statement by some members runs to this theological script, so it is no
surprise we do not agree over most of what salvation is and how we walk with Jesus.
It is like wondering why a person is suffering so badly from and illness, and then you find
the disease and it is all clear. Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
This might for some make them realise why certain disagreements arise which are not
because someone is evil, but the logical following of a school of theology.
Someone earlier claimed God is not logical. I would actually disagree, justice is always
logical and responsibility for sin resides with the person who has committed it.
The above link shows the theological position of this group.
In truth, as I said before arguing about foundations does not get anywhere if one does
not acknowledge the assumptions involved. Like talking to a JW, until they listen to Jesus
and love and how Jesus changes us, you are just listening to their teachers.
So equally here on cc, to say to obey the commands is to believe in Jesus, is free grace
perspective which the evangelical church reject.
Almost every statement by some members runs to this theological script, so it is no
surprise we do not agree over most of what salvation is and how we walk with Jesus.
It is like wondering why a person is suffering so badly from and illness, and then you find
the disease and it is all clear. Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
This might for some make them realise why certain disagreements arise which are not
because someone is evil, but the logical following of a school of theology.
Someone earlier claimed God is not logical. I would actually disagree, justice is always
logical and responsibility for sin resides with the person who has committed it.
That should say it right there for the body cannot survive without the spirit,and faith cannot survive without works.
That is because we still have a choice between good and evil after we are saved,and we are not forced to do right,so we have to initiate doing good before the Spirit will lead us in which we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we can handle,and will give us an escape from the temptation.
So there is no excuse they cannot abstain from sin,for if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and they are tempted where they can handle it,so how could they not beat the temptation and sinned.
Sin does not affect our relationship with God does not apply.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and faith works by love,so if we do not have works of love then faith does not apply,which John said do not love in word only,but in deed and in truth.
That is why the Bible warns us to have works because some people lack those works in which faith then does not apply in their life,and that is why Paul,James,and John,all say the same thing have charity,works of love,or you have erred from the faith.
Works saves us because it is our love that saves us that can only be done by works,in deed and in truth.
Name calling,and belittling is not love.
That is what is strange about those that believe they are chosen,and elect,that they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel,but how can the chosen,and elect,say and believe such things.
It does not compute.
It is like if you say be Christlike and stress that they are not happy for you,but it seems like they would rather you sin so they can say see I told you that you could not abstain from sin,instead of wanting you not to sin and be Christlike for that is what Jesus wants.
That is because we still have a choice between good and evil after we are saved,and we are not forced to do right,so we have to initiate doing good before the Spirit will lead us in which we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we can handle,and will give us an escape from the temptation.
So there is no excuse they cannot abstain from sin,for if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,and they are tempted where they can handle it,so how could they not beat the temptation and sinned.
Sin does not affect our relationship with God does not apply.
Charity,love in action,is greater than faith,and faith works by love,so if we do not have works of love then faith does not apply,which John said do not love in word only,but in deed and in truth.
That is why the Bible warns us to have works because some people lack those works in which faith then does not apply in their life,and that is why Paul,James,and John,all say the same thing have charity,works of love,or you have erred from the faith.
Works saves us because it is our love that saves us that can only be done by works,in deed and in truth.
Name calling,and belittling is not love.
That is what is strange about those that believe they are chosen,and elect,that they say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel,but how can the chosen,and elect,say and believe such things.
It does not compute.
It is like if you say be Christlike and stress that they are not happy for you,but it seems like they would rather you sin so they can say see I told you that you could not abstain from sin,instead of wanting you not to sin and be Christlike for that is what Jesus wants.
And to add. You reminded me of this scripture too...
Jude 1:23: "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have compassion, making a distinction but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh"
Jude 1:23: "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have compassion, making a distinction but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh"
It appears there is eternal security for those who don't hold any unforgiveness, though this may appear easy until we are in trouble, to forgive our enemies. "For if you forgive not neither will your Father in heaven forgive you." "Offences will come," To expose where we can be shaken, so that we may turn to the Lord. the Holy Spirit enables us to Love as Jesus Loved us and forgive our enemies, this is why the new commandment was only Given in time to receive the Holy Spirit. "All manner of sin shall be forgiven to man but rejecting the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to man."
