Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep. Begin the climb now. It's a long way to the top.

I am afraid for some, it looks easy, like its not that hard. Sadly, I hope they realise it is an impossible climb before its too late.

 

[Ralph-]

Yep. Begin the climb now. It's a long way to the top.

“Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt ...you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”-Matthew 21:21-22

If you believe, abagail. If you believe.

 

[Ralph-]

I am afraid for some, it looks easy, like its not that hard. Sadly, I hope they realise it is an impossible climb before its too late.

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me."-Philippians 4:13

Through Him, not you.
Realize this before it's too late.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

2*For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3*For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4*For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5*For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6*But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7*Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8*But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9*That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10*For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11*For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Ralph-]

2*For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3*For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4*For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5*For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6*But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7*Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8*But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9*That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10*For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11*For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

"I will show you my faith by my works.”-James 2:18

 

[PennEd]

"I will show you my faith by my works.”-James 2:18

Please tell. What ARE those works you have done that have shown your faith?

 

[Ralph-]

Please tell. What ARE those works you have done that have shown your faith?

"the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23gentleness, self-control"-Galatians 5:22

I have these working in me more and more in all my daily situations and circumstances. Are they in you? Are you growing up into the image and stature of Christ through your faith in Him? What are you going to be like and do in traffic today, or at the grocery store, or with your wife at home, or with your co-workers, or when you see the person in need?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Please tell. What ARE those works you have done that have shown your faith?

people like to conflate evidence of the Holy spirit
(works)
and one sin making a born again Christian lose salvation....


makes no sense


not even a proper response to the verses i posted

 

[Ralph-]

Please tell. What ARE those works you have done that have shown your faith?

Your turn.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

also most people take james out of context... and try to twist it in ways to make it say what it does not

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please tell. What ARE those works you have done that have shown your faith?

fruit inspectors.. They just love to praise God they are not like us sinners who put our eternal lives in the hands of God.

 

[Ralph-]

people like to conflate evidence of the Holy spirit
(works)

You probably did not mean to use the word 'conflate'?

I posted what the Bible says is the evidence of one walking in the Holy Spirit. Do you disagree with it? Do you disagree that it is necessary to have this evidence in your life when Jesus comes back or you are showing that you are not born again?

and one sin making a born again Christian lose salvation....

Did someone say this?

not even a proper response to the verses i posted

You probably think faith that is alone saves. It does not. Show your faith by what you do, not your faith that is alone-James 2:18. Because faith that is alone is not the faith that saves-James 2:14.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

fruit inspectors.. They just love to praise God they are not like us sinners who put our eternal lives in the hands of God.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.





Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You probably did not mean to use the word 'conflate'?

I posted what the Bible says is the evidence of one walking in the Holy Spirit. Do you disagree with it? Do you disagree that it is necessary to have this evidence in your life when Jesus comes back or you are showing that you are not born again?


Did someone say this?


You probably think faith that is alone saves. It does not. Show your faith by what you do, not your faith that is alone-James 2:18. Because faith that is alone is not the faith that saves-James 2:14.

Galatians 3:6-9King James Version (KJV)
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


Romans 4King James Version (KJV)
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin




i think you need to reread james to understand the context....

post human has explained it to you already if you go back

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.





Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Amen,

God does not need proof. God knows a persons heart.

Man can not look and say anyone has works so he must be saved, Impostors appear to work all the time.

James is not written for us to be fruit inspectors. It was written for us to TEST our own faith. and ask, If I claim to have faith, But I am not doing what God asks, Did I really have faith to begin with?

 

[Ralph-]

fruit inspectors.. They just love to praise God they are not like us sinners who put our eternal lives in the hands of God.

Yes, how shameful it is to bring glory to God by letting the light of your deeds shine.

"let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."-Matthew 5:16

Isn't it rather more shameful that you do not let your light shine, or that you do not have a light to shine? Are you going to let your light shine today? Or are you not going to do that because that would by you trying to earn your salvation?

Show your faith today, don't just talk about it. Then you will be praised and rewarded when Jesus returns, not condemned as a hearer only.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Yes, how shameful it is to bring glory to God by letting the light of your deeds shine.

"let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."-Matthew 5:16

Isn't it rather more shameful that you do not let your light shine, or do not have a light to shine? Are you going to let your light shine today? Or are you not going to do that because that would by you trying to earn your salvation?

who says he doesnt?

YOU

youre falsely accusing him

and youre trying to establish your own righteousness

 

[Ralph-]

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.





Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Keep making excuses for not growing up in Christ and walking in the Spirit. Keep doing exactly that. For surely it would be you trying to save yourself if you obeyed the Spirit and actually did something righteous.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Keep making excuses for not growing up in Christ and walking in the Spirit. Keep doing exactly that. For surely it would be you trying to save yourself if you obeyed the Spirit and actually did something righteous.

keep falsely accusing and trying to take glory from God

 

[Ralph-]

who says he doesnt?

YOU

youre falsely accusing him

and youre trying to establish your own righteousness

I see. I asked him about all those things. But you come right out and TELL me about me, but that's okay for you to do that, right, just not me to do that?