Not By Works

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Speak2Me said:
Really? Satan doesn't hate truth? His minions doesn't hate truth?
Throughout this thread there's a great deal of hatred for the truth.
You simply refuse to see it.
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Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved
b. Jesus cannot finish what he started
c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved
d. Sinless perfectionism
e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal
f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna
g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


and on and on and on.................
 
dcontroversal said:
Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved
b. Jesus cannot finish what he started
c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved
d. Sinless perfectionism
e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal
f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna
g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


and on and on and on.................
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It does keep them busy. How do they find time to eat, sleep, and study?
 
stonesoffire said:
Joh 3:36* He that believethG4100 onG1519 theG3588 SonG5207 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life:G2222 andG1161 he that believethG544 not theG3588 SonG5207 shall notG3756 seeG3700 life;G2222 butG235 theG3588 wrathG3709 of GodG2316 abidethG3306 onG1909 him.G846*

G544 believeth not:

G544
ἀπειθέω
apeitheō
ap-i-theh'-o
From G545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.
Total KJV occurrences: 16


Obedience- belief

Disobedience- unbelief.
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You DO realize you just said that obedience is faith & lack of faith is disobedience, right?
I thought you believed in a faith without works?
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”[/FONT]
 
=dcontroversal;3316766]Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved

We offer ourselves a living sacrifice to God.


b. Jesus cannot finish what he started

Unless you repent, you shall likewise perish


c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved

We need Jesus help if we are to be saved.

d. Sinless perfectionism


Humble obedience to God


e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal

We are born mortal, and will remain that way until a higher power grants us immortality


f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna


The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.



g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


Not everyone who say Lord, Lord is granted Salvation.


and on and on and on.................

"many" come in His Name to deceive"
 
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Originally Posted by Ellsworth1943It does keep them busy. How do they find time to eat, sleep, and study?
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dcontroversal said:
I just wonder what they do with all of the cracker jack boxes after getting their theology off of the comic books found therein.....
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No point in arguing with special people that owns his own thread...:)
 
Studyman said:
=dcontroversal;3316766]Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved

We offer ourselves a living sacrifice to God.


b. Jesus cannot finish what he started

Unless you repent, you shall likewise perish


c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved

We need Jesus help if we are to be saved.

d. Sinless perfectionism


Humble obedience to God


e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal

We are born mortal, and will remain that way until a higher power grants us immortality


f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna


The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.



g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


Not everyone who say Lord, Lord is granted Salvation.


and on and on and on.................

"many" come in His Name to deceive"
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you mean like posting verses with no context, say that the O.T. is the Gospel ( it is not ), keep the Law to be saved, you mean deceptions like that ?
 
Studyman said:
=dcontroversal;3316766]Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved

We offer ourselves a living sacrifice to God.


b. Jesus cannot finish what he started

Unless you repent, you shall likewise perish


c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved

We need Jesus help if we are to be saved.

d. Sinless perfectionism


Humble obedience to God


e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal

We are born mortal, and will remain that way until a higher power grants us immortality


f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna


The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.



g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


Not everyone who say Lord, Lord is granted Salvation.


and on and on and on.................

"many" come in His Name to deceive"
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The above is laden with so much error it's almost unbelievable...
 
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Studyman said:
a. We keep ourselves saved

We offer ourselves a living sacrifice to God.
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Romans 12:1-2, “I call upon you, therefore, brothers, through the compassion of Yah, to present your bodies a living offering – set-apart, well-pleasing to Yah – your reasonable worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you prove what is that good and well-pleasing and perfect desire of Yah.”

 [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”[/FONT]

Studyman said:
b. Jesus cannot finish what he started

Unless you repent, you shall likewise perish
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Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of YHWH."


Studyman said:
c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved

We need Jesus help if we are to be saved.
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John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."


Studyman said:
d. Sinless perfectionism

Humble obedience to God
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1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”


Studyman said:
e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal

We are born mortal, and will remain that way until a higher power grants us immortality
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1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”


Studyman said:
f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna

The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.
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Acts 5:32, "“And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Yah has given to those who obey Him.”​
1 John 3:24, "And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

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Studyman said:
g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park

Not everyone who say Lord, Lord is granted Salvation.
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Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."



Studyman said:
and on and on and on.................

"many" come in His Name to deceive"
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2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."
 
Studyman said:
=dcontroversal;3316766]Cough cough....a hatred for the false dogma pushed by a few........such as the following...

a. We keep ourselves saved

We offer ourselves a living sacrifice to God.


b. Jesus cannot finish what he started

Unless you repent, you shall likewise perish


c. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved

We need Jesus help if we are to be saved.

d. Sinless perfectionism


Humble obedience to God


e. The words eternal as applied unto life = temporal

We are born mortal, and will remain that way until a higher power grants us immortality


f. The seal of the Holy spirit can be broken like the lid on a bowl of left over lasagna


The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.



g. Salvation can be lost and gained like a dime in the park


Not everyone who say Lord, Lord is granted Salvation.


and on and on and on.................

"many" come in His Name to deceive"
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Not wishing to argue with you here.
Thats not my style.

But the truth is others can say the same about you

”Many come in his name to deceive”

To be honest I am in the catergory of the people you accuse of comeing to deceive.
I am not here to do that.
I don’t think you are either.

We all have a purpose and it’s not deceive.

Lets not go down that route.

Works will be judged and burned up If crap.

Faith will stand the test. Gold
 
I think Studyman is saying that if one says "obedience" others claim that person is preaching "sinless perfection" or of one says we need to "do His will" others claim that is preaching justified by works...
 
BillG said:
I thought the unforgivable sin was to reject Jesus.
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Yes, and the reason it is UNFORGIVABLE is it is the Holy Spirit who works on one's heart to try to get them to Believe, and when they reject Christ, they then are blaspheming all the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
BillG said:
Not wishing to argue with you here.
Thats not my style.

But the truth is others can say the same about you

”Many come in his name to deceive”

To be honest I am in the catergory of the people you accuse of comeing to deceive.
I am not here to do that.
I don’t think you are either.

We all have a purpose and it’s not deceive.

Lets not go down that route.

Works will be judged and burned up If crap.

Faith will stand the test. Gold
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Yep, he is a genuine modern day Pharisee.
 
Hizikyah said:
I think Studyman is saying that if one says "obedience" others claim that person is preaching "sinless perfection" or of one says we need to "do His will" others claim that is preaching justified by works...
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i hear what you are saying.

For the record to me obedience is not sinless perfection and we are not justified by works.

I just want to be like Jesus and be the person he has called me to be.

Thats all I can ask every morning when I wake.

May I not be a Pharisee and if I get it wrong let me know and bring it before you.


Refiners fire.
 
BillG said:
i hear what you are saying.

For the record to me obedience is not sinless perfection and we are not justified by works.

I just want to be like Jesus and be the person he has called me to be.

Thats all I can ask every morning when I wake.

May I not be a Pharisee and if I get it wrong let me know and bring it before you.


Refiners fire.
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I agree, Im not perfect, but rather weak without Him, yet I want to do His will, no mater if I fail 100 times I want to return to Him 101.

Proverbs 17:3, “A refining pot is for silver and a furnace for gold, But יהוה tries the hearts.”
 
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Hizikyah said:
I agree, Im not perfect, but rather weak without Him, yet I want to do His will, no mater if I fail 100 times I want to return to Him 101.

Proverbs 17:3, “A refining pot is for silver and a furnace for gold, But יהוה tries the hearts.”
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I love the way you have put that.
One step forward. But a step forwards. The step may small to start with but they get bigger.

God bless you my friend and brother in Jesus.
 
gb9 said:
you mean like posting verses with no context, say that the O.T. is the Gospel ( it is not ), keep the Law to be saved, you mean deceptions like that ?
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I've seen a lot of postings here with no verses.
Read some pretty harsh stuff too.
Very unchristianly...
 
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