Not By Works

[Fastfredy0]

And if you believe Calvin' s system is well thought out system than you also believe that of Augustine system is a well.

I think it goes without saying that the system is well thought out. You may not agree with it, but a lot of thought went into it.
Aside: I read other REFORMED men's writings and that is why it is so easily to destroy your ideas or answer your questions.
Aside: I was disappointed in Dcontraversial's argument that you presented. I thought it would be a lot stronger than that as you propagated him to be your doctrinal knight in shining armor.

I have learned to trust the teachings of people I have person to person contact with,... trained in the word.

Well, who are they, what are their writings and how have to organized their theological thoughts so as to propose and explain various doctrines and avoid contradition????? (probably won't get an answer)

What you have is a schema that you fit scripture into,

Well, you have the cart before the horse. I have multiple experts versed in scripture from which they extract a schema ... and the multiple authors are in agreement most of the time.

I have many things I cannot answer and I prefer that, rather than a faulty system.

You assume my system to be faulty and as man is fallible there is some truth to that.
... It's your prerogative to prefer a system (or lack of a system/organization) that leaves you with many unanswered questions. This may be a sign you system or lack there of needs adjusting.

Thanks for being cordial.

 

[DorothyMae]

These words stand on their own......

...... irrevocable, gift, saved, justified, everlasting life, redeemed,, adopted, promise, preserved, positional sanctification, union, hid,

purchased, innocent, imputed righteousness, cleansed, born from above, never perish, held, new creation, regenerated.... SEALED

Think again on who has to distort.

1 Peter 1:5: “Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

Salvation is salvation

These words stand on their own

Shipwrecked, abandoned, cut off, left, departed, withered, no root in themselves, “will you also leave,” outer darkness, worse state than before...

You ...choose, continue, pray, obey

Neglecting what He requires of us is dangerous.

 

[DorothyMae]

Am not reading the whole post for this reason...

Choose whom you shall serve. You aren’t the only one who posts “serve”.

Slaves".........to the law serve. OT

Sons.........heirs of the house. NT

I understand why you refuse to read words assuring you that you need to be a son who serves the

Marriage is not father-sin, mother-daughter.

In your haste to prove me wrong Dottie, you aren’t thinking.

In your haste to prove me wrong you even admit you refuse to read. Btw, some of the words I write in great peace are not
my words. He gives them to me to reach those He’s trying to reach to leave the “be served” doctrine and follow and obey Him. The rewards of relationship with Him on a level they never thought possible in this life will be theirs.

 

[DorothyMae]

Yes, I will agree that Gods correction hurts when needful. But, to say that God told you is equal to prophecy. That was your own perception.

However, I did understand your explanation.

I never said anything close to that. You don’t even understand that I never claimed prophesy. You didn’t understand what I said either.

 

[DorothyMae]

Here’s one..

Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

That doesn’t promise heaven. You said “home” which we don’t think of hell as being.

The prodigals father never went to get him and if the son had not returned, of his own choice I might add, he wouldn’t have made it home.

 

[DorothyMae]

I have read and responded to Dottie in another forum as well as this one. It is impossible to reason with her!

Well you guys usually mean you want me to agree and the superior level of my arguments leave you without a logical answer so you resort to attacking my character as you have done.

 

[DorothyMae]

If you are trying to "reason" with her, you have already lost. It cannot be done

That’s because I think about my arguments as well as yours. You guys just repeat what someone else said who also never thought about it. You cannot catch me in your loaded questions and I consider many angles of all questions. So thinking about the subject is foreign to many of you. It’s not foreign to me and I have questioned my own thoughts for decades and so eliminated a lot of falsehood.

 

[DorothyMae]

Did you also miss the scripture that says,whoever the Father gives to the Son,they will never be plucked from him.

Are you blind to that truth?

God gave the 70 to the son and they left. He didn’t lose them but they left. People still leave the faith today. This your side has to ignore or simply (unbelievably) just they disagree that people leave the faith. Close your eyes and the problem is gone!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

It is exactly what you said. Now, 'I may have interpreted what you said incorrectly' or 'you may not meant to say what you wrote, but it is a direct quote'.



Why are you accusing me of lying again. It is a direct quote. You said it, that is what quote means. This is the second time you have accused me of lying. Did you ever think it might be just a mistake on my part .... or a mistake on your part?

Hey, I think you are a well meaning guy, but words have meaning ... stop the false accusations against me for lying. I don't think you mean to say these things out of malice ... I think you are unable to articulate your thoughts at times and this causes confusion and that is exasperated by inferring people are lying.

... ANYWAYS, if I made an incorrect statement about something which I admit I do though I try not to, feel free to state your opinion ... but stop inferring I am purposely being untruthful.


Again, you take things too personal. People who disagree with you are lying or being disingenuous. Perhaps the problem is you say "A" and mean "B" and when someone reads your post and sees "A" and talks about "A" you think they are lying because you thought you were talking about "B". Or perhaps you posted about "A" and the person misinterpreted and thought you meant "B" and responds to "B". Hey, mistakes happen. Stop thinking the worst of people and assume they are lying. I assume you would never intentionally lie (I could be wrong, others don't agree) ... but I giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Aside: Most of my post was not directed to you ... I just used it as a jumping off point to discuss issues of "those who believe God elected them because they chose God". To tell you the truth, I am not sure where you stand as your posts have been confusing and I tired of trying to make sense of them.
Aside: Again, I think you are a good guy ... I apologize to a degree for this tough post ... but being accused of dishonestly rattled my cage.

Re:
Eternally-gratefull said:
God said I will go and pay for sin, and these people who will come to faith and ask me to save them, I chose or elect to save.

I am looking at this quote again to see if I made some sort of comprehension mistake.

Hmmmmm...
I am almost certain you believe God died for everyone (note: if this is incorrect don't accuse me of lying, this is my best guess and you can correct me if I am wrong)
Hmmm ... God won't die for everyone ... oh, I give up .... your previous posts on the subject left me scratching my head so I won't be able to unscramble it now ... I apologize for accidentally saying something that you think was a lie even though I have no clue what you are talking about ... I will assume you don't just throw out the word 'liar' casually or in anger

Same old routine from him. I quoted @eternally-gratefull 's post ver batim and he is denying it, said I was not interpreting it correctly. And we are the liars? He also said no one believes faith is not a gift, but he does.

 

[jackrosie]

God gave the 70 to the son and they left. He didn’t lose them but they left. People still leave the faith today. This your side has to ignore or simply (unbelievably) just they disagree that people leave the faith. Close your eyes and the problem is gone!

You have denied God’s word.....whoever God gives the Son,no one.......NO ONE.....can take them from him.

No true BORN AGAIN will ever be taken from Christ......you don’t believe in eternal salvation.


I DO!!........as that is my promise from God!!

Your own words are full of “CRAP!!

 

[stonesoffire]

That doesn’t promise heaven. You said “home” which we don’t think of hell as being.

The prodigals father never went to get him and if the son had not returned, of his own choice I might add, he wouldn’t have made it home.

Do you think maybe it could be because the Father didn’t know where he was? The point was that the Son never lost his Sonship. And all was restored to him when he returned. True?

 

[stonesoffire]

I never said anything close to that. You don’t even understand that I never claimed prophesy. You didn’t understand what I said either.

Werent you told not to talk about it?

 

[jackrosie]

Well you guys usually mean you want me to agree and the superior level of my arguments leave you without a logical answer so you resort to attacking my character as you have done.

Here you go again..all about “you”.....attack....I see no attacking of your character.....superior......”YOU”?

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!.........did you hear that Lord...her thinking is superior to everyone’s. Please knock her of her pedestal!

 

[stonesoffire]

Well you guys usually mean you want me to agree and the superior level of my arguments leave you without a logical answer so you resort to attacking my character as you have done.

Superior level?

 

[stonesoffire]

I understand why you refuse to read words assuring you that you need to be a son who serves the

In your haste to prove me wrong you even admit you refuse to read. Btw, some of the words I write in great peace are not
my words. He gives them to me to reach those He’s trying to reach to leave the “be served” doctrine and follow and obey Him. The rewards of relationship with Him on a level they never thought possible in this life will be theirs.

When your foundation isn’t correct, the building is off. That’s why I didn’t read.

Sons are the heirs. Slaves who serve, serve the Son.

 

[jackrosie]

That doesn’t promise heaven. You said “home” which we don’t think of hell as being.

The prodigals father never went to get him and if the son had not returned, of his own choice I might add, he wouldn’t have made it home.

Born Again will see the Kingdom of God......”HEAVEN”....guaranteed 100%.......The Word Of God.


BORN AGAIN......DorothyMae!

 

[jackrosie]

Superior level?

I nearly chocked on my coffee when I read that......Haaaaaaaaa!.....

 

[stonesoffire]

These words stand on their own

Shipwrecked, abandoned, cut off, left, departed, withered, no root in themselves, “will you also leave,” outer darkness, worse state than before...

You ...choose, continue, pray, obey

Neglecting what He requires of us is dangerous.

Why is it all these years I’ve known you, your focus has always been on the negative? Do you think you alone are greater than the keeping power of Holy Spirit? Did you forget that Jesus said that the promises are yes and amen?

You seem to want to pull down the foundation out of everyone’s life.

Nothing we do will keep us in Jesus. Only His love that’s found in His Word and Spirit. Truth is freeing Dot. Your hurt you nurse only festers. So forgive all who betrayed.

 

[stonesoffire]

These words stand on their own

Shipwrecked, abandoned, cut off, left, departed, withered, no root in themselves, “will you also leave,” outer darkness, worse state than before...

You ...choose, continue, pray, obey

Neglecting what He requires of us is dangerous.

love mercy...

 

[stonesoffire]

Yes, I was not actually saying Solomon is with Satan, I was using the Hebraic term, which in English is the word HELL, for the Grave our body is buried in

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