Not By Works

[stonesoffire]

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

It's about returning to willful SIN.

Not about returning to the old testament!

Can't you read!?

Yes, and I can research too. This is not about a Christian who falls into temptation and sins. God chastises unto repentance. Can’t you see?

 

[Magenta]

I have no problem discussing calvinism I can discuss calvinism with grandpa all day and never get into a battle, it is this group which seem incapable of having a conversation without going off on those who do not believe them. there was a third person who was with them, he always had the avatar from the starfish from squarpants.. anyway it seems nothing changes

I would not be surprised at all if they were here under a new user name. Click

 

[jackrosie]

So, you’re okay with ppl lying on here? Yep, they’ve indoctrinated you. Welcome to their clan.

Who said anything about lies....he incessantly keeps asking people to apologise to him...preacher.....get over himself and move on,for heaven sake!!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Who said anything about lies....he incessantly keeps asking people to apologise to him...preacher.....get over himself and move on,for heaven sake!!

If someone accused you of lying, would you be okay with it?

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, and I can research too. This is not about a Christian who falls into temptation and sins. God chastises unto repentance. Can’t you see?

I did my research on Hebrews 10:26 and it’s important that we properly harmonize Scripture with Scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine. See post #19 from the link below.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/

 

[jackrosie]

It's OK if he offers inflammatory remarks, because he has self-proclaimed himself not to be in a vendetta (when he is in a vendetta with several in this thread).

Remember? His double standard he mentioned? It's therefore OK if he slanders or uses inflammatory language. That right here won't work here, and it won't work before God either.

What is wrong with you........move on.....your obsessed with yourself!......sick and tired of your winging.......on this thread!........

 

[jackrosie]

If someone accused you of lying, would you be okay with it?

Once again you aren’t listening.......I would not keep asking for an apology.


I WOULD LEAVE THEM TO GOD!

Do you understand that?

 

[EleventhHour]

If someone accused you of lying, would you be okay with it?

If someone accused you of being a drunkard would you be okay with it?

If someone accused you of not being saved on the basis of a confessed sin would you be okay with it?

How about you answer for once?

 

[EleventhHour]

Once again you aren’t listening.......I would not keep asking for an apology.


I WOULD LEAVE THEM TO GOD!

Do you understand that?

Fyi......they are trying to rile us up don't fall for it.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

This is not about a Christian who falls into temptation and sins.

The writer of that letter was a holy man of God inspired by the Holy Spirit; and he said "if we sin willfully".

"We" includes that same holy, inspired, man of God.

It's clear to me; I need no further explanation.

Unless of course I had been taught that believers sin all the time and cannot stop sinning.

But... No problem, stoneoffire.

I am not trying to convert anyone here. Just introducing another voice into the conversation (which I would argue is the voice of truth because it's Bible as I honestly see it).

I do not look down on you as inferior. There's one Judge we will all face one day on bended knees; he stands before the door.

You promote what you believe in good faith, and so do I.

Let God be the Judge. And let every man offer his voice to the body of Christ without dismissing them with the attitude of having no need for them. Especially when scripture can be shown as a source with limited to no commentary. The more commentary scripture needs to teach a doctrine, the more likely that doctrine is false.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once again you aren’t listening.......I would not keep asking for an apology.


I WOULD LEAVE THEM TO GOD!

Do you understand that?

That’s just it

i think you hit the nail on the head.

we see who,has the real issue

 

[EleventhHour]

The writer of that letter was a holy man of God inspired by the Holy Spirit; and he said "if we sin willfully".

"We" includes that same holy, inspired, man of God.

It's clear to me; I need no further explanation.

Unless of course I had been taught that believers sin all the time and cannot stop sinning.

But... No problem, stoneoffire.

I am not trying to convert anyone here. Just introducing another voice into the conversation (which I would argue is the voice of truth because it's Bible as I honestly see it).

I do not look down on you as inferior. There's one Judge we will all face one day on bended knees; he stands before the door.

You promote what you believe in good faith, and so do I.

Let God be the Judge. And let every man offer his voice to the body of Christ without dismissing them with the attitude of having no need for them. Especially when scripture can be shown as a source with limited to no commentary. The more commentary scripture needs to teach a doctrine, the more likely that doctrine is false.

Loss of salvation not in view.

What you have a acquired is very simplified reading of that entire passage, you give no consideration to the written expressive style and extensive knowledge of the writer of Hebrews.

 

[EleventhHour]

Loss of salvation not in view.

What you have a acquired is very simplified reading of that entire passage, you give no consideration to the written expressive style and extensive knowledge of the writer of Hebrews.

Not Hebrews....Correction of the OT.

 

[Fastfredy0]

First off,

Re:
Eternally-gratefull said:
God said I will go and pay for sin, and these people who will come to faith and ask me to save them, I chose or elect to save.
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LOL .... just flows naturally rolls off the tongue. God says, I chose to elect those who elect Me.

Re: God looking into the future and determining what we will do .... this is a contradiction. Not even God can see what NOTHING WILL DO as nothing and not nothing can't exist at the same time or more specifically, "In eternity past man was NOTHING and yet NOTHING is able to decide to believe God. LOL... riduculous and easy to see why it is so with a little thought.

Nothing comes from nothing (Greek: οὐδὲν ἕξ οὐδενός; Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)

 

[mailmandan]

Well I remember Dottie very well. Yes, she did get nasty at times and there was no debating or discussion with her about anything OSAS. She hasn't changed.

I’m beginning to see what you mean after my recent discussion with her. It’s very difficult to reason with people who feel they need to resort to straw man arguments and slander just to win an argument.

 

[jaybo]

I’m beginning to see what you mean after my recent discussion with her. It’s very difficult to reason with people who feel they need to resort to straw man arguments and slander just to win an argument.

I have read and responded to Dottie in another forum as well as this one. It is impossible to reason with her!

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Loss of salvation not in view.

What you have a acquired is very simplified reading of that entire passage

Loss of salvation not in view? I do not see it that way.

As to me acquiring a very simplified reading of Hebrews 10:26...

Thank you!

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent fooled Eve through his craftiness, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3).

And this simplicity extends to his words; Like our Lord said, "unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not see the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 18:3).

Even a child can read Hebrews 10:26 and come to the conclusion that you better not be naughty. God knows who's naughty and who's nice.

 

[stonesoffire]

Where is the scripture promising keep on and youll go home?

Here’s one..

Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re:
Eternally-gratefull said:
God said I will go and pay for sin, and these people who will come to faith and ask me to save them, I chose or elect to save.
_______________________________
LOL .... just flows naturally rolls off the tongue. God says, I chose to elect those who elect Me.

Re: God looking into the future and determining what we will do .... this is a contradiction. Not even God can see what NOTHING WILL DO as nothing and not nothing can't exist at the same time or more specifically, "In eternity past man was NOTHING and yet NOTHING is able to decide to believe God. LOL... riduculous and easy to see why it is so with a little thought.

Nothing comes from nothing (Greek: οὐδὲν ἕξ οὐδενός; Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)

Dude please

that is not what was said

so stop being like those who consistently lie about others, especially since you claim to want peace

john 6 Jesus said it is the will of the father that all who see and believe will have eternal life

how do they see?
who convict?
who draws?
who has the words of eternal life?
does not the word say faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of god?

who helps us understand those words?
who gives us the hope which can not be seen?

is it self or is t God?

you see seeing and believing is the work of God, and that is what god chose to elect. Those who see and believe.

if you all want to prove you honestly want to discuss, to reconcile as They said, and open you heart (even if you disagree) then you will,stop,saying things which are not true about my faith and my words

 

[Fastfredy0]

"....Not all men are created with similar destiny but eternal life is foreordained for some, and eternal damnation for others. Every man, therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say, he is predestined either to life or to death."

Sounds about right to me. God ordained all things as the all wise person must do. The alternative is to let an unknown force determine the future to some extent which is not the wisest thing, so God would not allow it as it opposes His essence.

But what does scripture say: Ephesians 1:11 In Him also we have received an inheritance [a destiny—we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will,

Perhaps you have a verse saying God does not works all things according to his purpose???? Perhaps, for example, we are saved by our free will and thus God's plan in this area is according to our purpose. OH PRAISE MAN whose purpose is this area supercedes God's purpose or try to turn it on its head and say "God purpose is to proceed according to Man's purpose".