Not By Works

[JIMBO43]

My beautiful peoples spirits can walk through walls and doors they can certainly walk through fire....... case closed

 

[Ralph-]

So if one is continually judging self, looking for fruit in self, what has filled our vision? Who have we centered our hope in and on?

Who do you center your hope in and on?

Hannah wept bitterly before the Lord asking Him to take away the shame of her barrenness. And he answered. That's who we center our hope in and on.

 

[stand2]

I kind of got the impression that Hannah wanted a child to please her husband.......not herself. Didn't she promise to turn him over to God before she ever has him ? Doesn't sound like selfishness to me.

 

[Ralph-]

And then we come back to this.

When we are used of God, it's out of the anointing. Not of our own actions.

You are speaking of character. God can use an earthen pot is true. But, He is making gold and silver when it comes to our character.

Never will happen by slap on the knuckles with a ruler. Nor with a set of laws.

Only by the Spirit of God. Free to be what He is making within. Rules will bind, cause fear with failures, and there will be failures, which then paralyzes. One cannot go forward.

Grace however, is He who comes alongside and wells up within...our helper.

Was someone talking about being justified by the way of the law?

Many people get confused when someone talks about faith upholding the law (Romans 3:31) and think that can only mean trying to be justified by the law. Which it isn't. Justification in Christ through faith, apart from works (Romans 4:6), results in us having a new nature that, when we walk in it in according to the fruit of the Spirit, are not in violation of any law of God. No law is against the fruit of the Spirit-Galatians 5:23. Walking in the fruit of the Spirit upholds the law, not violates it.

 

[Ralph-]

Thanks be to God which saves, seals, justifies and sanctifies eternally in Christ by faith......

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.

He that believes on the Son IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE.....

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to His mercy has HE SAVED US!

NO WORKS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN SALVATION BY FAITH!

That is the gospel. Now let's hope you haven't flip flopped back to suggesting that this means you don't have to have works when Jesus comes back because justification and salvation are not earned by works (which they are not earned by works).

The person who doesn't bring any increase to the knowledge of the kingdom he was given from God will be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth-Matthew 25:26-30. Anyone who does not put the word of God to work bringing manifest increase to it in visible deeds will be condemned as an unbeliever who rejected that word. When Jesus returns to see what each of us did with the word of God, that person who did nothing with it will be rejected.

 

[stonesoffire]

Was someone talking about being justified by the way of the law?

Many people get confused when someone talks about faith upholding the law (Romans 3:31) and think that can only mean trying to be justified by the law. Which it isn't. Justification in Christ through faith, apart from works (Romans 4:6), results in us having a new nature that, when we walk in it in according to the fruit of the Spirit, are not in violation of any law of God. No law is against the fruit of the Spirit-Galatians 5:23. Walking in the fruit of the Spirit upholds the law, not violates it.

We always do out of our nature. If we are born from above, we are given Holy Spirit within our Spirit, and if you look at the Greek, it gives a picture of being braided. Intertwined. I think of DNA, and how it looks. Braided into our very DNA.

So Peter teaches...


2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

My favorite scriptures now.. All that we need is in us for life, and godliness. And we obtain these things unto our inner man by the promises. The promises are yes, and amen.

Then he goes on to say what more we have...



2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;


2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;


2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.


2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

in the knowledge of Jesus. To receive revelation truth concerning Him in the scriptures will fill us with joy, peace, and love in humility. And to see Him, creates Him in us.

So rather than saying what seems to be missing in others, give what the Word says we have and we are. Yes, and amen by the promises. Faithful is He who will do it.

Im hearing about The Presence now every which way I turn. We can carry His very presence. And I would think that He is more concerned with edification and that which promotes one to desire, rather than negative words.

 

[stonesoffire]

That is the gospel. Now let's hope you haven't flip flopped back to suggesting that this means you don't have to have works when Jesus comes back because justification and salvation are not earned by works (which they are not earned by works).

The person who doesn't bring any increase to the knowledge of the kingdom he was given from God will be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth-Matthew 25:26-30. Anyone who does not put the word of God to work bringing manifest increase to it in visible deeds will be condemned as an unbeliever who rejected that word. When Jesus returns to see what each of us did with the word of God, that person who did nothing with it will be rejected.

Are you thinking that we come to the Great White Throne judgement?

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you thinking that we come to the Great White Throne judgement?

Amen......after salvation our reward is based upon our service which has nothing to do with our salvation......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can only go by what you post.
You want to stop focusing on everyone's sin. That means you want to ignore the verse stating ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. That is the basis for Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. It is a basic theological Issue. Ignoring that concept implies that some possibly lead sinless lives and don't need the sacrifice of Christ which is against what the Bible states.

Lol, Again, you prove you have no understanding of what I said.

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus will baptize with hs and fire.

He will baptise all people.

The HS baptism is the winnowing fan, where the wheat is separated from the chaff. (The work of the HS baptizing us into Christ, or the baptism of washing where we are cleansed)

the baptism of fire. A fire we are told will never be quenched.

Their is only one fire in scripture which fits that defenition, and that is hellfire.

I believe John is talking about the baptism to life (HS) and the final baptism to death (Fire)

Am not understanding this EG.

 

[stonesoffire]

Amen......after salvation our reward is based upon our service which has nothing to do with our salvation......

Which judgement we come to makes a big difference in understanding what we have been given.

And the Great White Throne judgement is not for His own.

Ive been wondering about what stillness posted some weeks ago. That a minister had this revelation or vision that God is separating sheep from goats now. It makes sense to me in one way.

But, for another thread.

 

[stonesoffire]

Who do you center your hope in and on?

Hannah wept bitterly before the Lord asking Him to take away the shame of her barrenness. And he answered. That's who we center our hope in and on.

If you are speaking of the manchild, so am I.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are wethe sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shallbe: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall belike him; for we shall see him as he is.


1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Not by self examination but by beholding Him, we shall be like Him. That's what I mean by a revelation of Jesus. Fills us with the kingdom of peace, love, joy in the Holy Ghost.

And there's nothing like it that can compare, found on earth. Or in our earth.

Ive only had small tastes of His glory.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ahhhh the promises of Jesus based upon faith....

Saved eternally
sealed eternally
justified eternally
sanctified eternally (positionally)
the imputed righteousness of Christ
Never leaves or forsakes us
Leaves the 99 to find us if we stray
Completes his work of faith in us
raises us the last day
eternal/everlasting life
Being a son or daughter of God
Grace that outbounds our sin
Whips us to yield righteousness instead of forsaking us

etc.......All by saving faith.....

 

[VCO]

For those assuring they will be alive when Jesus returns, that is an awkward statement to me. No one knows the hour nor the day when Christ comes back except God. So, we may all be dead in this physical body when Christ returns.

If you are advocating that the Soul sleeps in the grave, that fallacy does not EXIST.

John 11:25-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in Me, even if he dies, will live.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die—ever. Do you believe this?”


Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

 

[dcontroversal]

EVIDENCED to who exactly? God? He doesn't know He made us a new creation? Other believers? So our walk is a kinda report card to believers to prove to them we're saved? To the unsaved? Boy you better be careful with that one!! ONE occasion of too much drink, ONE lie, ONE fit of anger, etc... and you will get the "Aha!! you call yourself a Christian."

Evidence to myself? I am a child of the One true God, Born again. In One Hand God the Father holds me. In the other Jesus Christ. And the Holy Spirit has sealed me with His Presence unto the day of redemption! NO ONE CAN SNATCH ME FROM THOSE HANDS OR UNSEAL ME!

I DO NOT have to prove that I am a Child of God by my works, good or bad. I'm a Child of God by birth! If you have kids, tell me, are they your kids by how they obey and behave? Or are they your children because they were BORN your child?

Am I saying that a born again believer should walk in the flesh? OF COURSE NOT! Further, there are always consequences for sin. For the unsaved (eternally lost) AND the saved. My consequences range from liver disease or death by auto for drinking, STDs and possible divorce for sexual sin,etc.., to being an ineffective witness to the world in bringing the Gospel, to possible immediate PHYSICAL death, to finally a loss of eternal rewards.

STOP looking at yourself and others in judging walks! Keep your eyes on our beautiful, Blessed Savior!

Amen bro......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Am not understanding this EG.

Baptize in water - Immerse in or with water

Baptize in Fire - Immerse in or with fire

Baptize in HS - Immersed with HS

Baptize in Christ, Immersed in Christ.

Baptize in his death and Burial - Immersed in his death and burial

Now take the word immerse, can also be translated placed into. So replace immerse with placed into. Ie, placed into Christ.

example. The children of Isreal were Baptized into moses, ie, they were placed into Moses, Moses being the head. Us placed into Christ, with christ being the head.

Baptise also is much deeper than dipping or sprinkling, it means complete immersion. In Ancient Greek, a person who dyed clothing or garments was called a baptiser. As the garment was immersed into the dying solution, and when it came out. The fabric was changed to a different color. A permanent change. It no longer was what it was before it was baptized,


I think the confusion is because the church took an ordinary greek word and made it into some spiritual word which has lost its origional meaning. So when people see it, they automatically assume water.

 

[Ralph-]

Are you thinking that we come to the Great White Throne judgement?

In the parable of the talents, the person who does nothing with the knowledge of the kingdom that he was given will be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

Don't be a no talent bum when Christ comes back. If you are, you will go to the fiery place, not into the kingdom when He comes back. If all you have to show for what you've heard about the kingdom of God are the words you heard, you're going to be rejected when Jesus comes back.

 

[Ralph-]

I DO NOT have to prove that I am a Child of God by my works, good or bad. I'm a Child of God by birth! If you have kids, tell me, are they your kids by how they obey and behave? Or are they your children because they were BORN your child?

They are my children BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE ME.
Understand?

In both my wife's and my family, we have members that we wonder if they belong to the family BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THE REST OF US.

Am I saying that a born again believer should walk in the flesh? OF COURSE NOT! Further, there are always consequences for sin. For the unsaved (eternally lost) AND the saved. My consequences range from liver disease or death by auto for drinking, STDs and possible divorce for sexual sin,etc.., to being an ineffective witness to the world in bringing the Gospel, to possible immediate PHYSICAL death, to finally a loss of eternal rewards.

How, pray tell, does being put to death physically make it so the disobedient, sinning confessor of Christ magically get saved that way? The passage in 1 Corinthians 5 says he must be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh SO THAT HIS SPIRIT BE SAVED WHEN CHRIST COMES BACK.

How does being put to death physically make it so a person WILL be saved when Christ returns? That means he would NOT be saved when Christ returns if he did not die physically for his sin. What value is physical death towards being saved? That sounds like works to me, not faith. You're the one who sees works under every stone and behind every tree in church teachings, but you can't see it in your own belief about the person who must die to the flesh in 1 Corinthians 5:5. That's ironic.

STOP looking at yourself and others in judging walks! Keep your eyes on our beautiful, Blessed Savior!

Philippians 2:13-16. Show yourself, prove yourself as one who God is working in to His good pleasure by doing things without grumbling or disputing, being hospitable. Read it.

Then read 2 John 1:8 KJV, "Look to yourselves...".

And then read all of 1 John. The whole book is devoted to looking at yourself to know if you are saved, and looking at others so you won't be deceived by their false teachings.

 

[homwardbound]

And then we come back to this.

When we are used of God, it's out of the anointing. Not of our own actions.

You are speaking of character. God can use an earthen pot is true. But, He is making gold and silver when it comes to our character.

Never will happen by slap on the knuckles with a ruler. Nor with a set of laws.

Only by the Spirit of God. Free to be what He is making within. Rules will bind, cause fear with failures, and there will be failures, which then paralyzes. One cannot go forward.

Grace however, is He who comes alongside and wells up within...our helper.

Well said, Father's lead I see, I thank Father in this truth given here I hear, all Father, none of me even as the Son would always say it as well, not me my Father who leads me. If one speaks of self it is not of God that is it folks. Thank you

 

[homwardbound]

They are my children BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE ME.
Understand?

In both my wife's and my family, we have members that we wonder if they belong to the family BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THE REST OF US.



How, pray tell, does being put to death physically make it so the disobedient, sinning confessor of Christ magically get saved that way? The passage in 1 Corinthians 5 says he must be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh SO THAT HIS SPIRIT BE SAVED WHEN CHRIST COMES BACK.

How does being put to death physically make it so a person WILL be saved when Christ returns? That means he would NOT be saved when Christ returns if he did not die physically for his sin. What value is physical death towards being saved? That sounds like works to me, not faith. You're the one who sees works under every stone and behind every tree in church teachings, but you can't see it in your own belief about the person who must die to the flesh in 1 Corinthians 5:5. That's ironic.


Philippians 2:13-16. Show yourself, prove yourself as one who God is working in to His good pleasure by doing things without grumbling or disputing, being hospitable. Read it.

Then read 2 John 1:8 KJV, "Look to yourselves...".


rAnd then read all of 1 John. The whole book is devoted to looking at yourself to know if you are saved, and looking at others so you won't be deceived by their false teachings.

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Work out your own salvation, yes, seek to know what this freedom is given from Father in Risen Son for thee to walk new by Faith for

The Just live by Faith, not by work(s), the work part is done for us by Son, the only one ever to walk this earth perfect in a flesh body, Born of the Spirit of Father, came through the Woman as a virgin. Which is so easily forgotten when one gets involved in pleasing God, and when others are pleased then one gets to thinking he/she is pleasing to God.
When only Faith, Belief, please God

[h=1]Romans 1:16-17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

AS I know I cannot fix anyone, not even myself. I need Father to do that in willing belief for to see and remain in humility. Father is the Holy Spirit that comforts me and teaches me all things in how to walk new

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[h=1]Titus 2:11-12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Faith saves, to God Father personally, works are there, but these works are not ours, they are God's in Son for us that is Risen to do them through us

Thanks Father and Son for this freedom to be available for you to use us [/FONT]