My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

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I am staunchly KJV-only. I was saved over a decade ago now... Spent 7 years using what ever translation I fancied till one day I decided to ask God what Bible he created. Became KJV onlyist after a few months of research. And have stayed KJV only due to research, prayer, and the Holy Ghost.

Glad to hear it, my friend.
I am Core KJV / Received Text (Which is basically the same thing but a little more nuanced).
I believe all the words in the KJV are the perfect words of God for today.
I believe the Pure Cambridge KJV edition (circa 1900) is the final settled edition.
I also believe the underlying Hebrew and 99.99% of the Beza Greek is perfect, as well.

I'll listen to your debate and tell you my thoughts,

Thank you.

Now on your intro at 11 minutes.

I'm at roughly 12 minutes... If you are going to be going through slides in a few seconds, don't add very vibrant pictures or pics at all. It draws the person's eyes away from the text, then the slide changes... They are distracting... Pictures are best used when you are going to linger on a slide to keep the attention of those who don't really pay attention.

(Later on, you use pictures correctly with clipart and the such, but your first few slides, the pictures were overwhelming IMO.)

I suppose that is my fault. I am a visually oriented teacher, and I also want to provide my audience with as much good information as possible. I wish I had 45 minutes to an hour for my debate opening.

I am going to upload a video of my slide presentation where I will:

(a) Read it slower and not rush through the slides (because of time restraints).

(b) Add more details on the textual differences in my Doctrinal Section.

(c) If God leads me to do so, I may add a few more key slides that briefly mention Westcott and Hort, the two lines of Bibles, etc.

You put a LOT of effort into this, that is apparent.

Yes, it was very difficult to do.

Now, at 14:21, I disagree with how you made your conclusion of your premise.

Instead of going "we would logically come to this position" because then your opponent goes "I and my friends did not come to that conclusion, and we have PhDs, so therefore, you are wrong...."

My point with Isaiah 34:16 is twofold:

1. Isaiah 34 is connected to Revelation (which is about the End Times).
2. Logic follows that the "Book of the Lord" during the End Times would be the Word of God (the Bible) because if God was telling the world to seek out this book during that time, the Bible is the only contender where a person can find God's words. My brief video was trying to show that even today, asking people in Christian nations if they can help you find the "Book of the Lord" would commonly be understood as referring to the Bible.

It is better to go with a structured argument such as Isaiah 28, Precept upon Precept, line upon line... IN ANOTHER TONGUE... Precept upon Precept... Psalm 12:6-7, the WORDS of the Lord are PURE.....

Therefore, since the Book of the Lord is Scripture, and Scripture says it is PURE and given by God into other languages....

I do mention Psalm 12:6-7 later, but I do not see exactly how it connects with Isaiah 34:16.

The point I felt I made was that Isaiah 34:16 is a prophecy of the completed Bible.

Brandon Peterson has a video on Isaiah 34:16. He also makes another great point that I wish I had time to include. Peterson notes that Christians in foreign nations, where English is not the native tongue, still believe the KJV is the perfect Word of God. He ties this into his video on Isaiah 34:16.

You can watch both videos here:

It's the same place you are trying to go, but doesn't allow for GUESS WORK...

And if your opponent counters with "the KJV was written by men," you can counter with 1 Thess 2:13.

This is one of my 150 reasons for the KJV being the pure Word of God today. I have the 150 reasons, but I am still working on the sub-articles. There are a lot of visuals in it. Then again, I am a visual kind of guy. I grew up reading comics.

Your 1st Corinthians argument was good and concise. You could have reinforced it, but with that argument, I think it's best to let them attack it so they can trap themselves instead of defending it. Because when they attack it, the trap is quick and easy.

Thank you. I was limited on time.

3rd pillar, Ephesians-Romans 10:17 argument was sound.

Thank you.

4th pillar, YES! This is where you build your argument.

I felt I needed to move on to my other categories that would help support my four pillars.

19:10 AMEN! AMEN! Yes, I wish you would have come out the gate like this, STRAIGHT to the point, attack them from the start, don't play their game of prefacing..... TWO EDGED SWORD!

Thank you. John 10:35 and 1 Peter 1:23 are heavy hitter verses on this topic, in my opinion.

20:20, we differ there. They do not potentially lead to that. THEY DO CAUSE THAT. That is the GOAL of them.

I was not speaking in absolute terms. I said that textual variants can potentially lead someone to doubt God's Word. Later in my debate, I also clarify that I do believe there are Christians in the Modern Bible Movement who may not fall into its dangers or pitfalls. However, I also believe that in other cases, believers do hold to false doctrines or even fall away from the faith because of the false science of Textual Criticism (like Bart Ehrman and Rick Beckman).

24:00, good point. Thank you. I learned something new today. I didn't know they attacked Matthew 1:1, the first verse in the NT. Poetic.

I'm glad to hear that. I actually discovered 50 doctrinal changes in Modern Bibles, so I only pulled from about 15 of them for my debate. I tried to choose the best ones, but I have so much more.

For the past 10 minutes, AMEN!!!!

AMEN! AMEN!

Yes, I wanted to save the doctrine section for last because it is powerful. Thank you.

If my opponent were to go back and carefully examine my points, I think he would realize he does not have a leg to stand on.

In all, good job. I will watch the rest later (likely in segments). Dude, you did PHENOMENAL.

May all glory be unto Jesus Christ for any good I have done with my video.

It was my first debate. If I choose to debate again, I need to invest in a timer and take some sessions at Toastmasters Club to become a little more polished.

Note: I am being hyper critical in this. The reason is that I think you were being hyper critical of yourself in the post.

Yes, I am hard on myself. I want to be the best for Christ in all things and glorify Him.

As far as your other points, I will see when I get there...

I wish I had written a speech for my closing statement and rehearsed it, but I spent two months on the slides alone, working right up until the time of the debate. I felt like I was in a high stakes action film leading up to the debate.

In any event, I am glad you liked my defense of the King James Bible.
It is the Word of God indeed.
All praise to our Lord that He gave us His Word.

May God bless you greatly for your kind words and encouragement.


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I am staunchly KJV-only. I was saved over a decade ago now... Spent 7 years using what ever translation I fancied till one day I decided to ask God what Bible he created. Became KJV onlyist after a few months of research. And have stayed KJV only due to research, prayer, and the Holy Ghost.

I'll listen to your debate and tell you my thoughts,

I skipped to the intro at roughly 2:30 and right now listening to Dollar's intro which already he is appealing to authority and attacking people who have supposedly held the position... Snakey Snakey....
Your intro at roughly 5 minutes is better and more personable intro on who you are and stuff. You rambled a bit from the topic of Scripture being infallible to your salvation back to the other topic back to last. NOTHING WRONG with that. Just shows you were not reading a necessarily pre-rehersed script but were ad-libbing.

SO already by the intro's. One could assume debate is going to go with Dollar appealing to authority and trying to shotgun information while you are more reactionary and trying to give your personal research or experience.

Now on your intro at 11 minutes.
Im at roughly 12 minutes... If you are going to be going through slides in a few seconds, don't add very vibrant pictures or pics at all. It draws the persons eyes away from the text then the slide changes... They are distracting... Pictures are best used when you are going to linger on a slide to keep the attention of those who don't really pay attention.
(Later on you use pictures correctly with clipart and the such, but your first few slides the pictures were overwhelming IMO.)

You put a LOT of effort into this, that is apparent.
Now, at 14:21 I disagree with how you made your conclusion of your premise.
Instead of going "we would logically come to this position" because then your opponent goes "I and my friends did not come to that conclusion and we have PHD's so therefore you are wrong...."
It is better to go with a structured argument such as Isaiah 28, Precept upon Precept, line upon line... IN ANOTHER TOUNGUE... Precept upon Precept... Psalm 12:6-7 the WORDS of the Lord are PURE.....
Therefore since the Book of the Lord is Scripture, and Scripture says it is PURE and given by God into other languages....

It's the same place you are trying to go, but doesn't allow for GUESS WORK...
And if your opponent counters with the KJV was written by men... you can counter with 1 thess 2:13

Your 1st Corinthians argument was good and concise, could again have reinforced it, but with that argument I think it's best to let them attack it so they can trap themselves instead of defending it. Because when they attack it the trap is quick and easy.

3rd pillar, Ephesians-Romans 10:17 argument was sound.

4th pillar, YES this is where you build your argument.

19:10 AMEN! AMEN! Yes, I wish you would have come out the gate like this, STRAIGHT to the point attack them from the start, don't play their game of prefacing..... TWO EDGED SWORD!

20:20, we differ there, they do not potentially lead to that. THEY DO CAUSE THAT, that is the GOAL of them.


22:40, not only singular and plural pronouns... INDICATIVE TENSE!
So english does not singular or plural, it also does not have INDICATIVE tense.
If I say "I am going to the store" when am I going? Today? Tomorrow? Right now? In an hour? WHEN?
You have to guess...
But eth and est are INDICATIVE which means in the present moment Fact, letting you know that it is RIGHT NOW FACT.

No modern perversion has Indicative or Plural and Singular pronouns both of which are in "the greek and hebrew"... Surely if someone wanted "the greek and hebrew" in English they would go to the KJV which actually has the tenses and pronouns of those languages.

24:00, good point thank you I learned something new today. I didn't know they attack in Matthew 1:1, first verse in the NT, attacked. Poetic.

For the past 10 minutes, AMEN!!!!
AMEN! AMEN!

Now, one critique is that you didn't show they attack salvation.
1 Cor 1:18
The change Preaching into "the message" and "the word" (lowercase)... The same perversions who change it to "the word" also use "the word" lowercase in 1 John 1 to refer to Jesus showing that they are saying Jesus is a fool.
"The Message" is the gospel, which the modern perversions are calling a fool.
But we know it is PREACHING that is foolish because Ecclesiastes says a man with many words is a fool, and preaching is MANY WORDS.

Then at the end they change SAVED past tense, to BEING SAVED future tense for no rhyme or reason except to cause doubt in salvation.


In all, good job. I will watch the rest later (likely in segments). Dude, you did PHENOMENAL.
Note: I am being hyper critical in this. The reason being is I think you were being hyper critical on yourself in the post.

As far as your time management, I see no issue so far, your introduction was not well managed, but that is fine it was personable.
Your slides were well rehersed I see no issue there, NONE.
Your public speaking is fine, the "umms" were not distracting, I can recall one time where I noticed a pause with an"um" which is FINE you are human, no issue. 1 Pause in 30 minutes... You can't do better.
The pacing was random, sometimes to fast, sometimes to slow. I know you were trying to cram at the end, you felt rushed... SO It is not a big deal, ESPECIALLY since this is on YOUTUBE, where people can pause and rewind.
Speaking fast can actually be a BLESSING today for children are used to videos that a at 1.5x speed. They dislike slower pacing today.


As far as your other points, I will see when I get there...

As for 1 Corinthians 1:18:

While it is wrong for Modern Bibles to alter God's Word (the KJV) for today, I did not make a point against the Modern Bibles change here because it talks about preaching the gospel in context in verse 17 (even for Modern Translations). So, I did not feel it was a strong argument to make because my opponent could just point to verse 17 and say it is talking in context of preaching the gospel.

As for saved vs. being saved: This is a common misunderstanding in Scripture in my humble opinion.

Check out my super short PDF here for some quick verses that I highlighted for your consideration.

In any event, if you do not agree, we can agree to disagree in love.

May God bless you greatly in Jesus' name.


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I am familiar with Brandon, thanks for the videos.

I personally know of MANY people who read the KJV from people who are 13 years old whos second language is English.
No one can fool me with the "KJV is to hard to read"... It's a cop-out argument it takes me 15 seconds to explain thee vs ye... Takes me 2 minutes to explain what ETH and EST suffixs mean.
KJV is easy.

The issue is John 8:47 and John 6:63 not the language... I had a conversation with a guy once, and he told me the KJV was to hard to read.... When reading 2 cor 13:1 (Video below time stamped)

And your opponent will not go back and examine, I listened to his oppening. He is a liar and he knows it.
He lied about Ruckman trying to insinuate that Ruckman said people who didn't use the KJV are not saved....
He lied about MANY things, for example he said the Puritans REJECTED the KJV when they came to America, that is WRONG they didn't have a copy yet, and the first time copies came to them they threw away their Geneva.
He lied about the translators saying that they didn't know what they were doing with certain words... The KJV preface is CHALLENGING anyone to go and do all the things they did and fulfill the giant list of criteria that they did IF they wish to try to create a Bible.

He is a liar and he knows it. His goal is not truth. He is a nicolaitan.

And I will say that modern perversions will create false doctrine and lead people astray. THAT IS THEIR ONLY GOAL. I was stuck in that trap for 7 years. No one can convince me that modern versions do not create doubt... I had to live through my doubts of "am I saved", "when is the rapture", "did God really say this?", "how can I trust the Bible if we are just guessing what is the word of God", etc. etc. etc.

I wrestled with that trash for YEARS.
FOR YEARS I had to deal with all those doubts... Then you go to the scholars, and they offer their books. BUY THIS BOOK ON 1 PETER TO UNDERSTAND!
Then you read it and they guy tells you "Although 1 Peter is not authentic and not written by Peter...."
Then you doubt more and he recommends his friend on 1 John and you go buy his book.... "Although 1 John is not authentic and not written by John..."

I have gone through that rat race! I have had to deal with all that JUNK.
All these "scholars" are, are modern conmen they are EVIL to their core making merchandise of the word of God!

Praise God one day I buckled down and stopped going to men and stopped asking men where God's word is and I asked GOD.
1 John 2:27.

Forgot to add, I am on your rebuttal now, just finished his opening... After I watch the whole thing I will give you a summary of my opinion.

 

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I am familiar with Brandon, thanks for the videos.

I did not reference Brandon Peterson because I know Nick Sayers is strongly against biblical numerics.
I have grown very fond of Nick's channel, and I respect his opinion on that.
So, I don't push biblical numerics to the broader Christian community (Even though I enjoy Peterson's discoveries).
I don't seek to live my life by numbers. I see biblical numerics as simply more evidences that God's book is authentic.

I personally know of MANY people who read the KJV from people who are 13 years old whos second language is English. No one can fool me with the "KJV is to hard to read"... It's a cop-out argument it takes me 15 seconds to explain thee vs ye... Takes me 2 minutes to explain what ETH and EST suffixs mean.
KJV is easy.

Respectfully, I believe there are a lot of challenging words in the KJV. But I see these as huge blessings from God.
The LORD conceals things for His glory.

Proverbs 25:2
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

1 Corinthians 1:27
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

And I will say that modern perversions will create false doctrine and lead people astray. THAT IS THEIR ONLY GOAL. I was stuck in that trap for 7 years. No one can convince me that modern versions do not create doubt... I had to live through my doubts of "am I saved", "when is the rapture", "did God really say this?", "how can I trust the Bible if we are just guessing what is the word of God", etc. etc. etc.

Yes, I do believe we have to preach loudly against the Modern Bible Movement and all the Modern Bibles out there.

Forgot to add, I am on your rebuttal now, just finished his opening... After I watch the whole thing I will give you a summary of my opinion.

Thank you.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you.


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As for 1 Corinthians 1:18:

While it is wrong for Modern Bibles to alter God's Word (the KJV) for today, I did not make a point against the Modern Bibles change here because it talks about preaching the gospel in context in verse 17 (even for Modern Translations). So, I did not feel it was a strong argument to make because my opponent could just point to verse 17 and say it is talking in context of preaching the gospel.

As for saved vs. being saved: This is a common misunderstanding in Scripture in my humble opinion.

Check out my super short PDF here for some quick verses that I highlighted for your consideration.

In any event, if you do not agree, we can agree to disagree in love.

May God bless you greatly in Jesus' name.


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YOU ARE WRONG

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Shalt = indicative.
It is the word SHALL + the suffix EST
Shalt = Shall + est


Indicative means in the present moment FACT.
So if I say:
"The woman walketh by the river"
That means the women is currently in this very moment FACT, walking by the river.

There is no confusion. It means in the present moment fact.
There is no confusion in Romans 10:9 salvation happens the SECOND you fulfill those requirments.



NOW, you quote Phil 2:12 in your PDF.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Question, how can you work something out that you have not obtained?
If I say go workout your arms. Do you lack arms and need to find them?
If I say go workout your field. Do you lack a field and need to go buy one?

Workout your slavation says you already have salvation.

Next you quote Luke 13:23-24 but you left out verse 25. Let us look at verse 25.

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Bud, that striving is to ENTER through the gate, once your in, there is NOTHING else to do, and once your in you are in.
The issue people have is FINDING the gate. But notice verse 25, all that found it and entered are SAVED.

1 Timothy 6 is NOT about salvation, Paul is talking to TIMOTHY who is already saved and is telling Timothy about SANCTIFICATION.

Hebrews is to the HEBREWS (so you are NOT dispensationalist, that is apparent...)

Romans 8 you ignored the verses BEFORE which shows it's talking to SAVED people such as 12, and is telling SAVED people how to live.


Buddy, your PDF is atrocious. I sincerely hope the rest of that video is not of this quality. I lost massive respect for you reading the PDF.
I could one by one dismantle EVERY verse you misquoted or tore out of context or misapplied... But I do not wish to derail your thread.

Ephesians 1:13-14

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I am sealed, no one can cause me to doubt and make merchandise of me anymore. I know I am saved, I know God gave me His Spirit, and I know the promises of God that He will in NO WISE cast me out. Even if I stop believing, I am saved.
2 Timothy 2:13

If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

I am bone of His bone, flesh of His flesh. I am in the body of Christ and in Him is nothing impure or corrupted and nothing to waste away.
Ephesians 5:30

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

 

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KJV only is a cult, in my opinion.

 

[Jeremiah33v3]

KJV only is a cult, in my opinion.

And Jesus is the leader
Want to join?

It's great, no more doubting what God said...
EVERY page of the book, 100% inspired and living and breathing!
Every day you get to wake up and KNOW for a FACT that God talks to you directly...

It's the best cult there is!
Or do you want to stay in your "scholar only cult" where you listen to Genesis 3:1 all day and question if God really said anything.

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said...

Join the cult of the KJV ONLY buddy! God sure is awesome I cannot get enough of His word!
God said His word is PURE and will never perish!
God says His word gives FATIH...

Want more faith? Maybe you need to get His words!

 

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Romans 10:9


Shalt = indicative.
It is the word SHALL + the suffix EST
Shalt = Shall + est

Romans 10:9 is talking about Initial Salvation or how to GET saved for the first time.
Generally this happens shortly after a person believes the saving gospel message of salvation in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
The gospel is believing that Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and risen the third day for your salvation.

As for the indicative mood: The indicative mood simply states a fact or reality at the time being expressed, but it does not inherently indicate permanence. In Romans 10:9, the future indicative ("thou shalt be saved") expresses what will happen if the conditions (confessing and believing) are met. However, the indicative mood itself does not intrinsically mean that salvation cannot later be lost if someone turns away from God.

For example:

• If someone confesses and believes, they will be saved (as a factual statement).
• However, the indicative does not address whether a person can later fall away by rejecting Christ, ceasing to believe, or living in unrepentant sin.

This is why other passages must be considered, such as:

• Colossians 1:23 – "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel..."
• Hebrews 3:14 – "For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end."
• 2 Peter 2:20-22 – Speaking of those who have known Christ but turn away.

Thus, while Romans 10:9 declares a truth about salvation for those who confess and believe, it does not teach once saved, always saved nor does it exclude the possibility of apostasy. The indicative mood only affirms what is true under the given conditions; it does not inherently imply irreversible salvation.

NOW, you quote Phil 2:12 in your PDF.

Question, how can you work something out that you have not obtained?
If I say go workout your arms. Do you lack arms and need to find them?
If I say go workout your field. Do you lack a field and need to go buy one?

Workout your slavation says you already have salvation.

You missed the key part of the verse.
Work out your salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING.
If you are locked into salvation, then there is no real reason to work out your salvation with any kind of trembling type fear.
But again, you miss the point, as well. You say, salvation is done in the past, but Philippians 2:12 says for you to WORK that salvation out with fear and trembling. Meaning, it is something you still have to work out with fear.
So it is talking about something actively you have to do involving salvation, which is to work it out and to do so with fear and trembling.

Next you quote Luke 13:23-24 but you left out verse 25. Let us look at verse 25.

Bud, that striving is to ENTER through the gate, once your in, there is NOTHING else to do, and once your in you are in.
The issue people have is FINDING the gate. But notice verse 25, all that found it and entered are SAVED.

You have to keep reading to verse 27. It says,

"But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. " (Luke 13:27).
These believers thought thought they were right with the Lord but were not.
The parallel passage in Matthew 7:14-27 makes it even more clear. Those who do not do what Jesus says is like a fool who built His house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).

Matthew 13:41-42 should keep you up all night and put the fear of the Lord in you (if you believe what it says). It states:

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).

So, the Son of man (Jesus) will send forth his angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that do iniquity (meaning, any Christian who is justifying sin), and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e., the Lake of Fire).

This ties into John 8:34-35 that says, "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."

So the servant of sin will not abide in the house of Christ forever.
This means that before Christ gives his Kingdom over to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24), He has to purge it of iniquity or those believers who justified sin in this life (Matthew 13:41-42). I am sorry. Such believers simply are not going to make it. I wish things were different. I really do.

1 Timothy 6 is NOT about salvation, Paul is talking to TIMOTHY who is already saved and is telling Timothy about SANCTIFICATION.

Nope. Sorry, my friend. It says lay hold on eternal life by fighting the good fight of faith. You either believe the verse plainly or you don't believe it. Remember, whatever verse you don't believe it is not going to be living on the inside of you.

Hebrews is to the HEBREWS (so you are NOT dispensationalist, that is apparent...)

All Scripture is profitable for doctrine, right?
I am a Dispensationalist, but I am not Hyper Dispensational.

I recognize that certain promises, such as the land promise, are distinct to Israel. I also believe that God will work in Israel during the End Times to open their eyes to the Messiah. While the Church has a different role, God desires both Israel and the Church to be saved. I believe in a future 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ and acknowledge that the Bible reveals distinct periods of time in history where God has dealt with mankind in different ways.

While Jesus's teachings was under the Old Covenant before the cross, they were New Testament focused.
Jesus and Paul did not teach radically two different things.

Paul says, "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,...." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

James 4:6 says God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

Romans 8 you ignored the verses BEFORE which shows it's talking to SAVED people such as 12, and is telling SAVED people how to live.

Your not really thinking about what Romans 8:13 is really saying. If this is talking to locked in forever saved believers, then this verse would be a contradiction to that idea. There would be no such thing as mortifying the flesh so that you can live, which is context of eternal life or not being under the Condemnation.





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[ResidentAlien]

I rest my case.

 

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Ephesians 1:13-14 I am sealed, no one can cause me to doubt and make merchandise of me anymore. I know I am saved, I know God gave me His Spirit,

Check out this PDF writeup here.

and I know the promises of God that He will in NO WISE cast me out.

Check out this PDF writeup here.

Even if I stop believing, I am saved.
2 Timothy 2:13

Sorry, that's not how it works.
Without faith it is impossible to please Him (God) (See: Hebrews 11:6).

2 Timothy 2:13 is talking about how God will be faithful to His Word and not you if you stop believing.

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11).

• He will uphold His promises to those who endure (v. 12).
• He will deny those who deny Him (v. 12).
• If some become faithless (v. 13), He remains true to His Word and nature—not altering His justice to save the unbelieving.

Romans 11:20-21 says,
"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

I am bone of His bone, flesh of His flesh. I am in the body of Christ and in Him is nothing impure or corrupted and nothing to waste away.
Ephesians 5:30

1 John 5:12 – We Have To Abide in Christ to Have Life:

"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."​

1 John 2:3-4 – The Test of How to Tell if We know the Lord (the Son) or not is the following:

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."​

Again, I wish things were different, but we have to face the facts of Scripture (even if we do not like them).

In my debate, I said at the 1:52:41 mark:

"...One of the things if you go back to the Book of Genesis in the garden, you can learn two very important truths there.​

...One truth would pertain to our debate where he [the serpent] said, "Yea, hath God....?""​

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The other truth is dealing with the other tactic used by the serpent. Meaning, the other important truth we can learn from this story in Genesis 3 is when the serpent was trying to trick Adam and Eve into disobeying God's command and yet not die (or die spiritually). This same lie is being pushed today by the devil.


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[Jeremiah33v3]

You came so close.... So close...

Salvation is faith alone, once saved always saved... But you can't just trust that Jesus did it all. You fall back to WORKS.

I am BORN AGAIN, I am SEALED until when? THE DAY OF REDEMPTION

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

You came so close, yet you REJECT what God says and instead have tried to pacify your preconceived doctrines by shoehorning verses that do not say what you want it to.


I am in the body of Christ. I am litterally apart of His body.
Jesus is not going to walk around blind without His eyes, or without hands, or without feet.
His Body is perfect.

You came so close, you reject what God says and instead are trying to prove what you WISH God said.

 

[John146]

No, I said this: "Peter did not add any adjective to "the word of God" here."

Peter didn’t need to because the context had been stated.

 

[John146]

KJV only is a cult, in my opinion.

Believing that God preserved his word in a book for man to live by is a cult? Is the word of God available to us today? If so, where?

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Hey, believe on the KJV and you shall be saved......Right?

My condolences to KJV onlyists. I guess if I was going to choose just one it would be one in the original languages. I would then need to spend my life studying the culture of the times and places in which the 66 books were written to help understand the Word correctly.

I was convicted and saved after reading from the Living Bible. Can't get much worse than that one for a Bible but in my case God used it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Believing that God preserved his word in a book for man to live by is a cult?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

 

[Dino246]

Not a chance because God would not use liberal heretics (Westcott and Hort) who employed various forms of deception to preserve His perfect Word.

Speculation about a tertiary matter is not a valid defense for deleting words from Scripture. YOU deleted words from Scripture in your slide and in your opening statement.

 

[Blain]

My condolences to KJV onlyists. I guess if I was going to choose just one it would be one in the original languages. I would then need to spend my life studying the culture of the times and places in which the 66 books were written to help understand the Word correctly.

I was convicted and saved after reading from the Living Bible. Can't get much worse than that one for a Bible but in my case God used it.

16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

My condolences to KJV onlyists. I guess if I was going to choose just one it would be one in the original languages. I would then need to spend my life studying the culture of the times and places in which the 66 books were written to help understand the Word correctly.

I was convicted and saved after reading from the Living Bible. Can't get much worse than that one for a Bible but in my case God used it.

2 Timothy 3:17
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Timothy 3:16-17&version=ESV




16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness
that means all scripture regardless of translation so if one is a kjv only person they are going against this scripture and honestly man doesn't get to decide if God's word is his word or not it is what it is.

 

[Dino246]

Peter didn’t need to because the context had been stated.

I see you don’t understand English grammar either.

 

[John146]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

It’s your belief that we do not have the word of God to live by today. Got it.

 

[John146]

I see you don’t understand English grammar either.

Well, if you cannot understand the context of what is incorruptible is the seed, by the word of God, then it is you who does not understand the English language, or just strongly in denial.

Then you quoted Revelation 22. If you believe this to be true, then there is only one of the following that can be true:

1. We do not have the word of God available for us today
2. We have the word of God available for us today which can only be found in one version (since they all are different and add to and take away from what each says from another).

Which do you believe? Let me guess, option three.