My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

[Blain]

It doesn't say the same thing!

THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT ARE NOT THE SAME!


This is not rocket science!
Word of God KJV in 2 Corinthians 2:18 says

DO NOT CORRUPT THE WORD OF GOD!

What do all your modern perversions say?
NKJV


NASB


NIV


ESV


CSB


LSB


RSV



WHAT DOES PEDDLE MEAN!!!!!

It means to SELL or GIVE AWAY!
Every single modern perversion is in violation of itself! They are ALL copyrighted FOR PROFIT!
Only the KJV is not!

So if your modern satanic perversions were correct, then they are all of Satan anyways because they are all copyrighted for PROFIT they peddle the word of God!!! ONLY THE KJV IS CORRECT!


And if the KJV is true with Corrupt, (which it is true) then all your modern perversions are CORRUPTED AND NOT THE WORD OF GOD!

Satanic? calling the word of God satanic is blaspheme you might want to be careful with that, also how do you know the kjv is not in error with it's translation of corrupt? because if all other translations say one thing it might be that that is the correct translation and unless one can read greek the true translation is lost regardless.

can you tell me what this verse says in greek?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

It doesn't say the same thing!

THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT ARE NOT THE SAME!


This is not rocket science!
Word of God KJV in 2 Corinthians 2:18 says

DO NOT CORRUPT THE WORD OF GOD!

What do all your modern perversions say?
NKJV


NASB


NIV


ESV


CSB


LSB


RSV



WHAT DOES PEDDLE MEAN!!!!!

It means to SELL or GIVE AWAY!
Every single modern perversion is in violation of itself! They are ALL copyrighted FOR PROFIT!
Only the KJV is not!

So if your modern satanic perversions were correct, then they are all of Satan anyways because they are all copyrighted for PROFIT they peddle the word of God!!! ONLY THE KJV IS CORRECT!


And if the KJV is true with Corrupt, (which it is true) then all your modern perversions are CORRUPTED AND NOT THE WORD OF GOD!

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Modern Bibles peddle the Word. It is a billion-dollar industry. The ESV committee previously stated that they would not make any further updates to the ESV. However, they lied. The 2025 ESV has now been released, supposedly reverting to its older reading in Genesis 3:16. The 2016 ESV told women that their desire would be contrary to their husband. They claim to have fixed this, yet they still included it as a footnote, keeping that whole 'Pick and Choose Your Adventure Bible' mentality. It's crazy!"Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Modern Bibles peddle the Word. It is a billion-dollar industry. The ESV committee previously stated that they would not make any further updates to the ESV. However, they lied. The 2025 ESV has now been released, supposedly reverting to its older reading in Genesis 3:16. The 2016 ESV told women that their desire would be contrary to their husband. They claim to have fixed this, yet they still included it as a footnote, keeping that whole 'Pick and Choose Your Adventure Bible' mentality. It's crazy!



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[NightTwister]

Here we go with the circular reasoning train again.

 

[Jeremiah33v3]

Satanic? calling the word of God satanic is blaspheme you might want to be careful with that, also how do you know the kjv is not in error with it's translation of corrupt? because if all other translations say one thing it might be that that is the correct translation and unless one can read greek the true translation is lost regardless.

can you tell me what this verse says in greek?

God lost His word?
You say I blaspheme God, and YET YOU SAY!!!!! That God was a dutz and misplaced His word!
That God's word is lost in Greek!


WHAT BLASPHEMY YOU HAVE!

Did Paul say the word of God is lost in Hebrew?
Did Paul say it was lost in EGYPTIAN? Did you even know the Torah was first in Egyptian???
You wouldn't because you never studied Romans 9:17

For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

So let's get this straight...

God made the world in 7 days.
God made man from dust of the ground.
God flooded the world but saved 8 from the flood.
God parted the red sea to let the Jews cross.
God turned water into blood.
God brought fire down from heaven.
God fed the Jews with bread from heaven.
God came down to earth as a man.
God can give the ability of tongues to the believer that they can speak in their own language yet other languages can understand.
God saved anyone who believes on Him from all their sins.


But speaking English.,..

According to you, speaking English is just to hard for God... How could God possible give us HIS WORD in English?
I guess God is dead according to you. That the Holy Spirit no longer moves in the believers and God just doesn't care...

God can do everything but speak English... English is God's one kryptonite according to you.
God can't give us His perfect word in English because that is impossible for God according to you.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

God lost His word?
You say I blaspheme God, and YET YOU SAY!!!!! That God was a dutz and misplaced His word!
That God's word is lost in Greek!


WHAT BLASPHEMY YOU HAVE!

Did Paul say the word of God is lost in Hebrew?
Did Paul say it was lost in EGYPTIAN? Did you even know the Torah was first in Egyptian???
You wouldn't because you never studied Romans 9:17



So let's get this straight...

God made the world in 7 days.
God made man from dust of the ground.
God flooded the world but saved 8 from the flood.
God parted the red sea to let the Jews cross.
God turned water into blood.
God brought fire down from heaven.
God fed the Jews with bread from heaven.
God came down to earth as a man.
God can give the ability of tongues to the believer that they can speak in their own language yet other languages can understand.
God saved anyone who believes on Him from all their sins.


But speaking English.,..

According to you, speaking English is just to hard for God... How could God possible give us HIS WORD in English?
I guess God is dead according to you. That the Holy Spirit no longer moves in the believers and God just doesn't care...

God can do everything but speak English... English is God's one kryptonite according to you.
God can't give us His perfect word in English because that is impossible for God according to you.

Good points.

Most Christians in the Modern Bible Movement will say that we do not even have any perfect Greek copies of Scripture today. Most of them believe ONLY the originals were perfect.


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[Dino246]

Okay, you are not getting it. Let me adjust the analogy a little. If there is an original piece of artwork out there that is not corrupted, and there is a counterfeit one, that does not mean that the original has been corrupted.

I assure you, I understand your analogy. I reject its relevance, because a piece of art is not "incorruptible". The word simply doesn't apply in your analogy.

The seed in the Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13:18-23) is the Word of God according to Luke 8:11.

Irrelevant.

There is no break in discussion here. It still talking about the same Word from 1 Peter 1:23.

Word, yes; seed, no.

The incorruptible seed in 1 Peter 1:23 refers to the Word of God

No, it definitely does not. The grammar does not permit that interpretation.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Here we go with the circular reasoning train again.

Well, if believing the Bible is circular reasoning, then count me in, my friend.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

I assure you, I understand your analogy. I reject its relevance, because a piece of art is not "incorruptible". The word simply doesn't apply in your analogy.

In the Old Testament, there is a verse that suggests that the scribes had distorted the Scriptures.

“How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.”
(Jeremiah 8:8, KJV)

Does this mean that Scripture was forever corrupted in all its forms since then because of this?
No, there could also be a perfect copy of Scripture that would have existed alongside this corrupted form of Scripture.


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[Dino246]

In the Old Testament, there is a verse that suggests that the scribes had distorted the Scriptures.

“How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.”
(Jeremiah 8:8, KJV)

Does this mean that Scripture was forever corrupted in all its forms since then because of this?
No, there could also be a perfect copy of Scripture that would have existed alongside this corrupted form of Scripture.


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Irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

The seed in the Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13:18-23) is the Word of God according to Luke 8:11.

Exactly, and it is the seed in 1 Peter 1:23 as well.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Exactly, and it is the seed in 1 Peter 1:23 as well.

Indeed. According to the Parable of the Weeds in the same chapter as the Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13, we learn that Jesus is the sower of that seed (Matthew 13:37). So it all fits together nicely.

Praise God for His Word!


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[Bible_Highlighter]

I assure you, I understand your analogy. I reject its relevance, because a piece of art is not "incorruptible". The word simply doesn't apply in your analogy.


Irrelevant.


Word, yes; seed, no.


No, it definitely does not. The grammar does not permit that interpretation.

Do you believe Trump is uncovering financial fraud in our government through Doge?
Do you think it is a good thing that criminal illegal immigrants who have murdered or raped our citizens are now starting to be deported since Trump took office?

I am asking this because I believe it relates to our discussion here.


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[Blain]

God lost His word?
You say I blaspheme God, and YET YOU SAY!!!!! That God was a dutz and misplaced His word!
That God's word is lost in Greek!


WHAT BLASPHEMY YOU HAVE!

Did Paul say the word of God is lost in Hebrew?
Did Paul say it was lost in EGYPTIAN? Did you even know the Torah was first in Egyptian???
You wouldn't because you never studied Romans 9:17



So let's get this straight...

God made the world in 7 days.
God made man from dust of the ground.
God flooded the world but saved 8 from the flood.
God parted the red sea to let the Jews cross.
God turned water into blood.
God brought fire down from heaven.
God fed the Jews with bread from heaven.
God came down to earth as a man.
God can give the ability of tongues to the believer that they can speak in their own language yet other languages can understand.
God saved anyone who believes on Him from all their sins.


But speaking English.,..

According to you, speaking English is just to hard for God... How could God possible give us HIS WORD in English?
I guess God is dead according to you. That the Holy Spirit no longer moves in the believers and God just doesn't care...

God can do everything but speak English... English is God's one kryptonite according to you.
God can't give us His perfect word in English because that is impossible for God according to you.

yes God;s word was written in hebrew and in greek the new testament is in greek so the original languages are what one would read them in to know what it truly says as far as translation goes so technically the king hames version doesn't say what the original language says so your argument about words doesn't make sense and if you read the full chapter you see why he used the word peddle in this context

Now as far as whether the king james version is close to it or not I don't know but it is not the sole word of God and calling any other translation satanic is blasphe I was not trying to insult you I just warned you it would be wise not to do that

 

[Dino246]

Do you believe Trump is uncovering financial fraud in our government through Doge?
Do you think it is a good thing that criminal illegal immigrants who have murdered or raped our citizens are now starting to be deported since Trump took office?

I am asking this because I believe it relates to our discussion here.

Let's deal with your misinterpretation and misrepresentation of God's word first. Until those are addressed, I see no need to discuss anything else here.

 

[fredoheaven]

The KJB used in 1 Peter 1:23 the English word " incorruptible" as opposed to " uncorruptible" which is not liable to rot or decay. While it is true, used 1 time of the word with the prefix un, the context shows this is in reference to the word of God. The metaphor is spritual and not material and being born again is not physical and so with the word being spiritual or immaterial. The seed therefore soeaks well of the word of God. The key here is not a material seed but spiritual. Perhaps we need to see what is that " uncorruptible refers to which is one time used in the KJB which is in reference directly to God meaning not subject to corruption.
Romans 1:23 KJV — And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Whereas, "incorruptible" speaks well of being eternal and speaks of the time not necessarily in connection with that which cannot be perverted as this idea do not support in the given text. What is clear is about the eternity in reference to the word of God. If it is that "cannot be manipulated" then the KJB Translator dud the same in Romans 1:23, but the case is not the same.

 

[Jeremiah33v3]

yes God;s word was written in hebrew and in greek the new testament is in greek so the original languages are what one would read them in to know what it truly says as far as translation goes so technically the king hames version doesn't say what the original language says so your argument about words doesn't make sense and if you read the full chapter you see why he used the word peddle in this context

Now as far as whether the king james version is close to it or not I don't know but it is not the sole word of God and calling any other translation satanic is blasphe I was not trying to insult you I just warned you it would be wise not to do that

You lie and you dont even know you are lying.

KJV is God's word in English made by the Holy Spirit!

I am not an apostate like you who thinks God died and does not communicate with His people anymore...
I am not an apostate like you who thinks the Holy Ghost no longer lives and works in the believers...
I am not an apostate like you who thinks the best we have is "scholars" guessing at what the word of God could or should be.

The fact you think the Holy Ghost is dead and could not put His words down on paper in English speaks about you not me.

Isaiah 28:9-13

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

God speaks English better than ANYONE pretends they can speak Greek

1 Thessalonians 2:13

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

2 Peter 1

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The KJV is God's word in English there is no other!

 

[Chester]

Can we be KJV only if we believe in Loss of salvation? The KJV teaches eternal security and a forever salvation in The Lord Jesus Christ.

The KJV teaches the security of the person who is believing in Jesus.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

yes God;s word was written in hebrew and in greek the new testament is in greek so the original languages are what one would read them in to know what it truly says as far as translation goes so technically the king hames version doesn't say what the original language says so your argument about words doesn't make sense and if you read the full chapter you see why he used the word peddle in this context

If you are referring to the original languages as the artificial never-before-seen Greek text created by Westcott and Hort in their attempt at smashing together Vaticanus, and Sinaiticus, then that would be correct. But that is not the true original languages but simply a new text that came out in 1881 that was never used by the church before that point in time. Such a Greek text did not exist until Westcott and Hort created it (based on Vaticanus and Sinaiticus).

If you are referring to the underlying Greek of the KJV:
Well, 99.99% of the Beza 1598 Greek edition does match what the KJV says (Unless of course, you have been wrongfully convinced by Dr. Mark Ward or the KJVER Translation to believe that certain archaic words in the KJV are more in line with the Critical Text Bibles (Which is simply an ignorance of linguistic history and context).

Now as far as whether the king james version is close to it or not I don't know but it is not the sole word of God and calling any other translation satanic is blasphe I was not trying to insult you I just warned you it would be wise not to do that

The best way to describe Modern Bibles is that they are sort of like a mishmash of both gold bars of truth, mixed in with hot steaming logs of dog poop (false doctrines, errors, etc). There are good (the KJV aligned parts), and exceptionally bad things in Modern Translations. While I believe you can use a Modern Bible to get somebody saved or help understand certain parts of the KJV (in private study only), they should never be a 100% trusted source, and they should never be used in fellowship. The Modern Bibles should always be treated with skepticism in what they say because they are horribly corrupted. Many Christians are just not able to see it spiritually for various reasons of their own.


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[Chester]

The KJV is God's word in English there is no other!

Hmmm!!?? Methinks the KJV was written a few hundred years after Jesus died and rose again. Poor English speaking people before that time.

There is really little else that needs to be said when one sees such blatant heresy written in bold dark print with huge letters!

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Indeed. According to the Parable of the Weeds in the same chapter as the Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13, we learn that Jesus is the sower of that seed (Matthew 13:37). So it all fits together nicely.

Praise God for His Word!

1Co 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

It seems rather obvious that what Paul was planting, Apollos was watering, and God was giving the increase to was the seed of God's word.