Lost salvation or name not in the book
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What you are referring to as self-will is actually Satanism. Aleister Crowley said "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.".
You don't understand his love and grace. Jesus paid a very great price to secure eternal life for us! Once we are saved, we belong to HIM:
"For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (1 Corinthians 6:20)
He has PURCHASED the saved! He OWNS us! And at the price He paid, He's not going to let us go. He loves us too much. We still retain our free will to choose to love and serve Him or not, but that doesn't change the fact that we BELONG TO HIM. A child may turn on his parents and refuse to have anything to do with them, but he's still his parents child.
I just genuinely want to know if a child of God used mightily in (verified and witnessed by the body of Christ) Gift of healing or any of the nine gifts for that matter. If that child was to willfully walk away from God in perpetual willful sin and was to die would they be lost.
A child cannot cease to be a child. He may rebel, forsake, and blaspheme, but he's still a child. Nothing can change that.
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Let me use your parent/child senario.
The parents are the most Godly people you know truly saved and have eternal life. Their child on the other hand never accepted Christ in his lifetime. He is still the parent's child but his parents are in heaven. Where is the child?
I read you post asking about where the child would go, supposing the answer you sought was "hell."
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What I believe this whole thread is about is whether or not these Scriptures are saying that we can be lost after being saved.
Romans 1:22-31
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
I'd like to establish your understanding of that question so I can understand how you arrived at the capability of being lost. You were lost, God saved you, and then He lost you again? Is that how it works?
That's not what I'm saying at all. God didn't lose him for God always knows where he is. What I'm saying is the child willfully left God. I trying to gain a better understanding of God's Word and those Scriptures seem to be a clear indication that a soul can be lost after being saved. If it's not so I want to know. Not by private interpretation or opinions but backed by Scripture. Thank you and God bless.
I see you must've assumed that the verses you offered were speaking of the lost saved (this is quite the oxymoron to me) going by v. 21 "For although they knew God..." but if you back up a couple of verses, vv. 18-20 clarify those that is speaking toward, "...all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse."
Seems there is so much more instruction in unrighteousness. The verses I mention above show that men are without excuse. No one can say in truth, "I did not know," God has made it plain to them.
Please don't call anyone on here oxymoron. We are are trying to learn and understand God's Word better. Noone is stupid or dumb. Some may be unlearned and even a little harsh sometimes with their opinions but we always should when appropriate use Scripture to help those with less knowledge.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
became vain - would indicate that at one time their imaginations were humble and modest
was darkened - would indicate their heart was light at one time.