Lost salvation or name not in the book
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So what you're trying to tell me here is that someone cannot sincerely by faith and Grace accept the word of God be saved feels and filled with the Holy Ghost cannot turn their back willfully (our will to choose right and wrong is also a free gift from God) on God and walk away and be lost.
So what you're trying to tell me here is that someone cannot sincerely by faith and Grace accept the word of God be saved feels and filled with the Holy Ghost cannot turn their back willfully (our will to choose right and wrong is also a free gift from God) on God and walk away and be lost.
If the word of God is a light for us, and satan poses as an angel of light, then he utilizes the lie "posed" as the word of God so that some claiming revelation get it wrong, this is how it has happened. They've wholeheartedly received a poser's explanation of it. You won't 'get it right' unless you go directly to Him, humbly realizing that you can and are vulnerable to being deceived without His revelation rather than looking for 'just' the revelation of scripture.
Yes. It's the nature of something eternal to last forevermore. Thus, if someone possesses eternal life, they will live forevermore.
Remaining in this estate is promised to the believer in scripture...He who has begun a good work in you will perform it until the Day of Jesus Christ.
Your salvation wasn't produced by you, and cannot be kept by you. Left to ourselves, we would all scatter like sheep. But no one can pry us out of either Jesus' or the Father's hands.
One of the problems inherent in believing a person is responsible for their salvation is that one will also think they are responsible to keep it.
Remaining in this estate is promised to the believer in scripture...He who has begun a good work in you will perform it until the Day of Jesus Christ.
Your salvation wasn't produced by you, and cannot be kept by you. Left to ourselves, we would all scatter like sheep. But no one can pry us out of either Jesus' or the Father's hands.
One of the problems inherent in believing a person is responsible for their salvation is that one will also think they are responsible to keep it.
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Excellent idea; have you considered?:
1) The Lord Has Always 'Known' them that are His Own
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
2) The Lord Has Never 'Known' them that are Not His (Matthew 7:21-23)
Thus, the 'middle-of-the-road' theory, "saved, then lost," has No basis, Correct?
Amen.
Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love
1) The Lord Has Always 'Known' them that are His Own
(1 Timothy 2:19; Ephesians 1:4-6)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
2) The Lord Has Never 'Known' them that are Not His (Matthew 7:21-23)
Thus, the 'middle-of-the-road' theory, "saved, then lost," has No basis, Correct?
Amen.
Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love
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No problem - welcome aboard.
Absolutely. the devils "believe" probably more accurately than we do, but aren't "saved". BELIEF, and efforts to do "good works" don't save you. (Eph 2:8,9)
Being Convicted of your SIN by the Holy Spirit, and Surrendering to God in Repentance and calling on HIM IN FAITH for salvation gets the job done, and THEN the Holy Spirit indwells you, and bears witness with YOUR spirit that you're a child of God.. "belief" is "religion", but FAITH is based on God's WORD TO YOU (Rom 10:17), which can be trusted absolutely.
(quote)The thing that has me asking is, in the past I felt like my connection to God was validated through prayer.
I would pray, then events would occur, usually never in the way I expected, that would bring me to what I believe was a God driven outcome.(/quote)
Probably a DECADE BEFORE I became a Born Again Christian, I also had similar experiences, which WEREN'T Salvation related, but simply God demonstrating TO ME that He was absolutely there, and was aware of and acted upon the requests of a 12 tear old kid. "Theology" claims that God doesn't "hear" the prayers of unsaved people, but that's a total LIE. God hears EVERY PRAYER, and answers according to HIS WILL and purpose.
God says that He'd RATHER we were either "COLD" or "HOT" rather than "Lukewarm". God KNOWS your heart, and has obviously been working in your life to "Connect". Jesus AS A HUMAN MAN knows first hand about our frustrations, and temptations. it's impossible to "Shock" God.
"Eschatology" is nothing but a "Religious word for "Rank Speculation". The World WILL GET WORSE, as we move toward the end of the age. It's O.K. to see thing growing spiritually darker, but "date setting" is never wise. I'd suggest that you get together with a pastor of a Baptist, or Assembly of God church in your area, and share your thoughts. A Christian Pastor can provide council, and help to lead you to an intimate relationship with God through FAITH in the SIN offering Of Jesus on the Cross. It was a Baptist outreach that resulted in ME becoming a Born again Christian 60 years ago beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Absolutely. the devils "believe" probably more accurately than we do, but aren't "saved". BELIEF, and efforts to do "good works" don't save you. (Eph 2:8,9)
Being Convicted of your SIN by the Holy Spirit, and Surrendering to God in Repentance and calling on HIM IN FAITH for salvation gets the job done, and THEN the Holy Spirit indwells you, and bears witness with YOUR spirit that you're a child of God.. "belief" is "religion", but FAITH is based on God's WORD TO YOU (Rom 10:17), which can be trusted absolutely.
(quote)The thing that has me asking is, in the past I felt like my connection to God was validated through prayer.
I would pray, then events would occur, usually never in the way I expected, that would bring me to what I believe was a God driven outcome.(/quote)
Probably a DECADE BEFORE I became a Born Again Christian, I also had similar experiences, which WEREN'T Salvation related, but simply God demonstrating TO ME that He was absolutely there, and was aware of and acted upon the requests of a 12 tear old kid. "Theology" claims that God doesn't "hear" the prayers of unsaved people, but that's a total LIE. God hears EVERY PRAYER, and answers according to HIS WILL and purpose.
God says that He'd RATHER we were either "COLD" or "HOT" rather than "Lukewarm". God KNOWS your heart, and has obviously been working in your life to "Connect". Jesus AS A HUMAN MAN knows first hand about our frustrations, and temptations. it's impossible to "Shock" God.
"Eschatology" is nothing but a "Religious word for "Rank Speculation". The World WILL GET WORSE, as we move toward the end of the age. It's O.K. to see thing growing spiritually darker, but "date setting" is never wise. I'd suggest that you get together with a pastor of a Baptist, or Assembly of God church in your area, and share your thoughts. A Christian Pastor can provide council, and help to lead you to an intimate relationship with God through FAITH in the SIN offering Of Jesus on the Cross. It was a Baptist outreach that resulted in ME becoming a Born again Christian 60 years ago beyond the shadow of a doubt.
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I don't know. Either could be true. It could be they are genuinely saved, but more likely they are not. Just as a good earthly father will admonish and correct his children, so too our heavenly Father does with His own. And it's hard to imagine one so resistant to this that they remain in their sin. I believe it's conceivable, but unlikely they are actually saved.
There are many people who attach themselves to Christ who have no real part in Him. Just read Matthew 7:21-23. They learn the liturgy, the songs, the people. But they never meet Jesus. An interesting story in Luke 16 about a rich man who died and lifted up his eyes in hell. He recognized father Abraham, but never acknowledges God Himself. His experience with religion led him to father Abraham, but not to Father God.
There are many people who attach themselves to Christ who have no real part in Him. Just read Matthew 7:21-23. They learn the liturgy, the songs, the people. But they never meet Jesus. An interesting story in Luke 16 about a rich man who died and lifted up his eyes in hell. He recognized father Abraham, but never acknowledges God Himself. His experience with religion led him to father Abraham, but not to Father God.
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