Loss of salvation???
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If AI were to remain objective it would have to identify that there are voluminous writings both for and against God and Scripture. At the moment it looks to me that how the query is structured will determine what volume is mainly drawn from. So, I asked Copilot the simple question: "does God exist"? Here's the answer:
If we took all that computing power and developed a directive to deal with all of the combinations of translation issues to ultimately harmonize them into a completely reasoned completion, then we might have something.
The existence of God is one of the most debated questions in philosophy, science, and theology. There are arguments both for and against the idea.
Some arguments for God's existence include:
- The Cosmological Argument: Everything that exists must have a cause, and the universe itself must have been caused by something—often argued to be God.
- The Fine-Tuning Argument: The universe appears to be precisely calibrated for life, suggesting an intelligent designer.
- The Moral Argument: The existence of objective moral values implies a higher moral authority.
On the other hand, arguments against God's existence include:
- The Problem of Evil: If an all-powerful, all-loving God exists, why does suffering and evil persist in the world?
- Scientific Explanations: Many natural phenomena once attributed to divine intervention now have scientific explanations.
- Philosophical Skepticism: Some philosophers argue that belief in God is based on faith rather than evidence.
Ultimately, belief in God is a deeply personal matter, shaped by faith, experience, and reasoning. What are your thoughts on the subject?
Not very helpful IMO.If we took all that computing power and developed a directive to deal with all of the combinations of translation issues to ultimately harmonize them into a completely reasoned completion, then we might have something.
The problem with applying that to us today is that Peter wasn't the apostle to the Gentiles. Loss of salvation isn't possible under the Gospel of Grace that was revealed to the Gentile world through Paul. Any expenditure of effort on our part nullifies God's grace for salvation, therefore even discussing loss of salvation is nothing more than fear-mongering and doubt. We should not at all be entertaining this notion at all since it isn't at all a possibility.
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I would question whether a being who is immortal even needs to be concerned about what will be the case in the future. The primary concern of such a being IMO would be, "What is the case right now?" If I am not saved, or being saved, in the present, of what value is it to believe I will one day be saved in the future?
I believe God wants us to focus on the experience of being saved in practice now, rather than theories about being saved technically in the future. I think theories about being lost or saved in the future are red herrings that distract us from the important matter of being saved right now.
I believe God wants us to focus on the experience of being saved in practice now, rather than theories about being saved technically in the future. I think theories about being lost or saved in the future are red herrings that distract us from the important matter of being saved right now.
Not a loss of THE salvation.
For we who believed in Christ will all be in heaven.
But a loss of a great benefit that is available to all who are regenerated.
Called... Salvation of the soul.
It requires passing tests that will be there to try to stop us from reaching full maturity in Christ.
The salvation of the soul that Peter tells us about pertains to a unique state of peace that God gives
a believer who remains faithful to keep taking in the needed sound doctrine and walk in the Spirit
as the means to overcoming what comes against God's desired way for us to be living.
Becoming an "overcomer" inwardly towards the evils that come our way.
It is not complex.
Here again...
1 Peter 1:6-9
(not false doctrinal thinking).
Those who fight with truth for more truth and find it, will gain a great peace within them as they live out their time on earth.
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For we who believed in Christ will all be in heaven.
But a loss of a great benefit that is available to all who are regenerated.
Called... Salvation of the soul.
It requires passing tests that will be there to try to stop us from reaching full maturity in Christ.
The salvation of the soul that Peter tells us about pertains to a unique state of peace that God gives
a believer who remains faithful to keep taking in the needed sound doctrine and walk in the Spirit
as the means to overcoming what comes against God's desired way for us to be living.
Becoming an "overcomer" inwardly towards the evils that come our way.
It is not complex.
Here again...
1 Peter 1:6-9
In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief
in all kinds of trials. These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater
worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and
honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even
though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and
glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. .
Faith is what we choose to believe. Tests must come to try to rattle our faith to see if our faith in fact is genuine. (not false doctrinal thinking).
Those who fight with truth for more truth and find it, will gain a great peace within them as they live out their time on earth.
Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now,
you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving
the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. .
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With all due respect, I don't think so. I think this was just the anticipation of facing Gods wrath. This was Jesus getting ready, Jesus wasn't forsaken until He was on the cross. He was praying in the garden, not cut off. He couldn't be "under wrath" and still connected to and speaking with the Father. The garden was just Him coming to terms with exactly what was about to happen, and I don't believe it was the physical part He feared at all either, not at all. He knew the price He was going to pay way before He laid His life down. I don't want to act like I disagree with your understanding here; it wasn't a picnic here either, but I can't agree He was under Gods wrath when He was in direct communication with Him still.
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