jesus is not God

[superdave5221]

Jesus and his Father are one in purpose, not one and the same. The verse I quoted plainly says Jesus was about to ascend to his Father. If he was going to ascend to the Father, he is not the Father.

You do not know the nature of God, therefore you limit God to your own understanding.

God says that He is a God near, and also a God far away, (Jeremiah 23:23). How is this possible? According to your logic, it is not possible.

We are finite creatures attempting to understand an infinite God. If that is beyond your understanding, then you say it is not possible. But the bible clearly implies, and Jesus clearly states that He is God.

I don't claim to understand this either, but I believe the Holy Scriptures.

As you should know, God created time and is transcendent to it. Time has spatial characteristics. We know that we cannot be two places at once. And yet God says in Jeremiah that He can be two places at once. This is because He exists outside of time.

Therefore, when you speak of someone returning from the limitations of time and space to someone outside of time and space, then you really don't have the knowledge to make judgements on the possibilities or choices of an infinite being.

We can only trust His word, as found in Holy Scriptures, and also trust his Providence in allowing this understanding of the Scriptures about His nature to be revealed to us.

 

[theBibleisawsome]

There's is!only one God God the Father he came in the Flesh as his Son 1st Timothy 3:16 and God himself is a Spirit the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost r one in the same they r not 3 seperate s

 

[Crossfire]

Personally, I don't have a problem either oneness, duality or trinity. What's most important to me is that I am in right fellowship with the Creator of all things and Christ assures us that, through faith in Him and His work on the cross, right fellowship can be achieved regardless of how we view the oneness / duality / trinity debate.

Spiritually dead religious tradition and doctrine, even though accurate, can easily send one to hell. While possessing knowledge of the truth inside of our heads helps to a great degree, it is knowledge of the truth inside of our hearts which truly saves.

 

[superdave5221]

Personally, I don't have a problem either oneness, duality or trinity. What's most important to me is that I am in right fellowship with the Creator of all things and Christ assures us that, through faith in Him and His work on the cross, right fellowship can be achieved regardless of how we view the oneness / duality / trinity debate.

Spiritually dead religious tradition and doctrine, even though accurate, can easily send one to hell. While possessing knowledge of the truth inside of our heads helps to a great degree, it is knowledge of the truth inside of our hearts which truly saves.

Matthew 22: 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

That's funny. Jesus doesn't separate the mind from the heart and soul, nor does he diminish the importance of the mind, as you do.

 

[shroom2]

You do not know the nature of God, therefore you limit God to your own understanding.

God says that He is a God near, and also a God far away, (Jeremiah 23:23). How is this possible? According to your logic, it is not possible.

We are finite creatures attempting to understand an infinite God. If that is beyond your understanding, then you say it is not possible. But the bible clearly implies, and Jesus clearly states that He is God.

Some verses, when misinterpreted, can be inferred to back up that Jesus is God. Many verses plainly state that he is the Son of God, and that he is a man. Jesus never "clearly states that he is God".

I don't claim to understand this either, but I believe the Holy Scriptures.

You believe Jesus is God, and interpret scripture in light of your belief rather than letting scripture speak for itself.

As you should know, God created time and is transcendent to it. Time has spatial characteristics. We know that we cannot be two places at once. And yet God says in Jeremiah that He can be two places at once. This is because He exists outside of time.

God is everywhere present.

Where does the bible say "God exists outside of time"?

Therefore, when you speak of someone returning from the limitations of time and space to someone outside of time and space, then you really don't have the knowledge to make judgements on the possibilities or choices of an infinite being.

We can only trust His word, as found in Holy Scriptures, and also trust his Providence in allowing this understanding of the Scriptures about His nature to be revealed to us.

I agree. People need to go to the word and let it speak for itself, not go to it with preconceived concepts looking for verses that seem to back those concepts up.

 

[Crossfire]

Matthew 22: 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

That's funny. Jesus doesn't separate the mind from the heart and soul, nor does he diminish the importance of the mind, as you do.

What's funny is how you have overlooked the most important word in the entire verse... LOVE. One can learn everything about a certain subject with the mind and not care about it all. In fact, you can even despise it. However, once something is learned in the heart, it's embedded there forever.

It's a tragedy that most modern Christians have no concept of how powerful the love of God really is and how it can transform a life. While heart knowledge of God is enough to get you saved and keep you saved, proper head knowledge of God will grant you victory over the flesh and the devil. I'm not against head knowledge at all however. if it weren't for the simplicity of heart knowledge, many on these boards would be nothing more than religious pharisees headed for hell.

 

[superdave5221]

What's funny is how you have overlooked the most important word in the entire verse... LOVE. One can learn everything about a certain subject with the mind and not care about it all. In fact, you can even despise it. However, once something is learned in the heart, it's embedded there forever.

It's a tragedy that most modern Christians have no concept of how powerful the love of God really is and how it can transform a life. While heart knowledge of God is enough to get you saved and keep you saved, proper head knowledge of God will grant you victory over the flesh and the devil. I'm not against head knowledge at all however. if it weren't for the simplicity of heart knowledge, many on these boards would be nothing more than religious pharisees headed for hell.

How did I overlook love? It was the subject of my writing!!!(??) We are to LOVE God with all our hearts, LOVE God with all our souls, and LOVE God with all our minds, (maybe if I capitalize it you won't think that I overlooked it).

You trivialize that which you don't know.

How are Christians distinguished from other peoples and other religions? Is it experience? Is it our spirituality? Is it the fact that we love God? No! It is our beliefs!!! In the book of Acts, which is the history of the beginnings of the Church, Christians are referred to 42 times as "believers".

How does one believe? If you study the history of the Babylonians and Assyrians and read their writings you will find that they LOVED their Gods. They loved their gods sincerely!! These people loved that which did not exist! Do Hindu's love their gods? Do the Muslims love Allah? What is "heart knowledge"? Heart knowledge is loving that which we know and understand (not fully but God has revealed enough of Himself for us to love Him). You are not being simplistic, you are being simple minded.

Of course our hearts are important. If you read the parable of the seeds, it is plainly shown that our hearts must be prepared by Holy Spirit in order for us to believe. But belief is in the mind, not the heart. We must know (a mind verb) that in which we believe, and then we will have faith in our hearts in that which we believe.

And how are we to please God? If you love God, do you not wish to please Him? If you wish to do that, how are you to do it unless you know (mind verb) what it is that pleases Him? Do we please God by trivializing our knowledge of His nature? Do we please God by trivializing his commands and doctrine?

 

[superdave5221]

Where does the bible say "God exists outside of time"?

Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

If there was a beginning, and God says there was, then what is a "beginning" if not a beginning of time? And since God existed before this "beginning", is should be obvious that He exists outside of time and is transcendent to it.


I agree. People need to go to the word and let it speak for itself, not go to it with preconceived concepts looking for verses that seem to back those concepts up.

It is you with the preconceived notions.

One other note. The bible says that God is without beginning and without ending. This would not be possible for a being who is limited by time. And, additionally, since God knows everything that is going to happen, then to Him time is not linear. Once again, this is only possible for a being who lives outside of that time.

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Scripture asks me to confess and believe that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh, not "Jesus IS God!". I know for a fact from my study of Scripture that Yahweh is Yahshua's FATHER, since he is frequently recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as referring to Him as his and our FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH. FATHER Yahweh is also recorded in this same section of Scripture as referring to Yahshua as His SON. Any simpleton knows that one can not be their own father and that one can not be their own son!

There are some 107 Scripture verses and passages in the so-called "Old Testament" that proclaim and say that FATHER Yahweh "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM and that there was "NO ONE BESIDE HIM". FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua is never once recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as proclaiming or saying that he had created ANYTHING. In fact, Yahshua is recorded in this section of Scripture as crediting his and our FATHER Yahweh for creating.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

"Jesus IS God!"?

 

[superdave5221]

Scripture asks me to confess and believe that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh, not "Jesus IS God!". I know for a fact from my study of Scripture that Yahweh is Yahshua's FATHER, since he is frequently recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as referring to Him as his and our FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH. FATHER Yahweh is also recorded in this same section of Scripture as referring to Yahshua as His SON. Any simpleton knows that one can not be their own father and that one can not be their own son!

There are some 107 Scripture verses and passages in the so-called "Old Testament" that proclaim and say that FATHER Yahweh "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM and that there was "NO ONE BESIDE HIM". FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua is never once recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as proclaiming or saying that he had created ANYTHING. In fact, Yahshua is recorded in this section of Scripture as crediting his and our FATHER Yahweh for creating.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

"Jesus IS God!"?

In the Septuagint, (Greek translation of O.T.), the title "kyrios" is used about 8,000 times for the God of Israel. Sometimes it translates the Hebrew term "donai" (Lord) and "lohim" (God), but mostly, about 6,000 times it appears in the place of "Yahweh", the divine name itself. About 1,000 times it appears in combination with "theos", thus the Lord God. Never is it used for pagan deities or idols.

Thus, any Jew who knew his OT in its Septuagint form would have associated the title immediately with the one true God. It is known that Paul, and other N.T. writers frequently quote from the Septuagint, and would have understood this meaning of the word. It is thus significant that N.T. writers frequently use this title for Jesus. Paul uses it almost exclusively for Jesus.

 

[Crossfire]

How did I overlook love? It was the subject of my writing!!!(??) We are to LOVE God with all our hearts, LOVE God with all our souls, and LOVE God with all our minds, (maybe if I capitalize it you won't think that I overlooked it).

You trivialize that which you don't know.

How are Christians distinguished from other peoples and other religions? Is it experience? Is it our spirituality? Is it the fact that we love God? No! It is our beliefs!!! In the book of Acts, which is the history of the beginnings of the Church, Christians are referred to 42 times as "believers".

How does one believe? If you study the history of the Babylonians and Assyrians and read their writings you will find that they LOVED their Gods. They loved their gods sincerely!! These people loved that which did not exist! Do Hindu's love their gods? Do the Muslims love Allah? What is "heart knowledge"? Heart knowledge is loving that which we know and understand (not fully but God has revealed enough of Himself for us to love Him). You are not being simplistic, you are being simple minded.

Of course our hearts are important. If you read the parable of the seeds, it is plainly shown that our hearts must be prepared by Holy Spirit in order for us to believe. But belief is in the mind, not the heart. We must know (a mind verb) that in which we believe, and then we will have faith in our hearts in that which we believe.

And how are we to please God? If you love God, do you not wish to please Him? If you wish to do that, how are you to do it unless you know (mind verb) what it is that pleases Him? Do we please God by trivializing our knowledge of His nature? Do we please God by trivializing his commands and doctrine?

*shaking head*

Ultimately, you and I are speaking the same language however, we are approaching it from two different angles.

You don't seem to be familiar with the majority of my posts because often times the topic of my posts is God's nature. However, I have found that few people can relate to God's nature because they either have never experienced the life changing love of God for themselves or because they have become prideful, placing more personal value on the head knowledge that they have aquired than relating to those whom God has brought us into fellowship with.

In fact, I have learned from personal experience that very little head knowledge can deliver one from spiritual bondage, in fact, often times a person's intellectual pursuits suffocates the embers of love inside of their hearts thus that person begins to carry the burden of religious bondage on top of the spiritual bondage that already has them weighed down. They become cold and calloused and ineffective in all that they do.

This is why I focus primarily on heart knowledge among those I do not really know. I've come to the realization that one must possess authentic heart knowledge before head knowledge can truly be effective. Heart knowledge is accompanied by humility, repentance and a sincere desire to learn (a teachable spirit), all the necessary components needed to insure that head knowledge works effectively.

You can not disciple someone who is not open to what you have to say. They are not open to what you have to say because you have not earned their trust. You can not earn their trust until they are sure that you are sincere and have their bests interests at heart. Finally, they won't know how sincere you are until you have shown them how much you love them. Authentic and effective discipleship begins with love.

Yes, head knowledge is every bit as important as heart knowledge however, heart knowledge proceeds head knowledge thus we can not minimize it's importance especially with those we do not know very well.

With that being said, you called me simple minded and insinuated that I'm incapable of comprehending certain truths in your previous post. And while I have forgiven you for doing so and was going to dismiss these comments completely, I feel I need to ask you the following question because it will help prove the point that I'm initially trying to make. How does calling one names and insulting one's intelligence in a post being made about love of all things help the case you are trying to make? It doesn't. In fact, it makes one appear hypocritical, not that I'm calling you one however, it is my hope that you can see how one could easily be offended and how such methods are entirely ineffective.

Anyways, I do understand what are trying to say and do agree. However, it is my hope and prayer that you can see where I am coming from as well. Take care & God bless!

 

[Crossfire]

*shaking head*

Ultimately, you and I are speaking the same language however, we are approaching it from two different angles.

You don't seem to be familiar with the majority of my posts because often times the topic of my posts is God's nature. However, I have found that few people can relate to God's nature because they either have never experienced the life changing love of God for themselves or because they have become prideful, placing more personal value on the head knowledge that they have aquired than relating to those whom God has brought us into fellowship with.

In fact, I have learned from personal experience that very little head knowledge can deliver one from spiritual bondage, in fact, often times a person's intellectual pursuits suffocates the embers of love inside of their hearts thus that person begins to carry the burden of religious bondage on top of the spiritual bondage that already has them weighed down. They become cold and calloused and ineffective in all that they do.

This is why I focus primarily on heart knowledge among those I do not really know. I've come to the realization that one must possess authentic heart knowledge before head knowledge can truly be effective. Heart knowledge is accompanied by humility, repentance and a sincere desire to learn (a teachable spirit), all the necessary components needed to insure that head knowledge works effectively.

You can not disciple someone who is not open to what you have to say. They are not open to what you have to say because you have not earned their trust. You can not earn their trust until they are sure that you are sincere and have their bests interests at heart. Finally, they won't know how sincere you are until you have shown them how much you love them. Authentic and effective discipleship begins with love.

Yes, head knowledge is every bit as important as heart knowledge however, heart knowledge proceeds head knowledge thus we can not minimize it's importance especially with those we do not know very well.

With that being said, you called me simple minded and insinuated that I'm incapable of comprehending certain truths in your previous post. And while I have forgiven you for doing so and was going to dismiss these comments completely, I feel I need to ask you the following question because it will help prove the point that I'm initially trying to make. How does calling one names and insulting one's intelligence in a post being made about love of all things help the case you are trying to make? It doesn't. In fact, it makes one appear hypocritical, not that I'm calling you one however, it is my hope that you can see how one could easily be offended and how such methods are entirely ineffective.

Anyways, I do understand what are trying to say and do agree. However, it is my hope and prayer that you can see where I am coming from as well. Take care & God bless!

To sum things up in a simple sentence:

Intellectualism is often accompanied by insensitivity and apathy. These are prime indicators that head knowledge has become an idol in one's life thus trapping one in religious bondage.

 

[superdave5221]

*shaking head*

Ultimately, you and I are speaking the same language however, we are approaching it from two different angles.

You don't seem to be familiar with the majority of my posts because often times the topic of my posts is God's nature. However, I have found that few people can relate to God's nature because they either have never experienced the life changing love of God for themselves or because they have become prideful, placing more personal value on the head knowledge that they have aquired than relating to those whom God has brought us into fellowship with.

In fact, I have learned from personal experience that very little head knowledge can deliver one from spiritual bondage, in fact, often times a person's intellectual pursuits suffocates the embers of love inside of their hearts thus that person begins to carry the burden of religious bondage on top of the spiritual bondage that already has them weighed down. They become cold and calloused and ineffective in all that they do.

This is why I focus primarily on heart knowledge among those I do not really know. I've come to the realization that one must possess authentic heart knowledge before head knowledge can truly be effective. Heart knowledge is accompanied by humility, repentance and a sincere desire to learn (a teachable spirit), all the necessary components needed to insure that head knowledge works effectively.

You can not disciple someone who is not open to what you have to say. They are not open to what you have to say because you have not earned their trust. You can not earn their trust until they are sure that you are sincere and have their bests interests at heart. Finally, they won't know how sincere you are until you have shown them how much you love them. Authentic and effective discipleship begins with love.

Yes, head knowledge is every bit as important as heart knowledge however, heart knowledge proceeds head knowledge thus we can not minimize it's importance especially with those we do not know very well.

With that being said, you called me simple minded and insinuated that I'm incapable of comprehending certain truths in your previous post. And while I have forgiven you for doing so and was going to dismiss these comments completely, I feel I need to ask you the following question because it will help prove the point that I'm initially trying to make. How does calling one names and insulting one's intelligence in a post being made about love of all things help the case you are trying to make? It doesn't. In fact, it makes one appear hypocritical, not that I'm calling you one however, it is my hope that you can see how one could easily be offended.

Anyways, I do understand what are trying to say and do agree. However, it is my hope and prayer that you can see where I am coming from as well. Take care & God bless!

This is what I said.

You are not being simplistic, you are being simple minded.

If you understand sentence structure and grammar, you will realize that I never called you "simple minded". I was addressing your posting in which you were, in my opinion, "writing in a simple minded way. Notice "you are being", which indicates that you are acting in that way, not that you are that way.

Now, let us address your hypocracy. Your previous posting stated that you have found that many who are on this board would be nothing but "religious pharisees headed for hell", if it were not for your "simplistic heart knowledge". I have never said that anyone was going to hell, and I would never judge in this way.

Next, you claim to have the "recipe" for claiming a "correct" relationship of love with Jesus Christ, and anyone who does not follow your formula must be doing it wrong. You describe them as "prideful" and full of religious bondage. What kind of judgement is this?

Finally, you stereotype all people who are devoted to a study of Scriptures as incapable of loving God. You want to stress the "experience" of love, and claim that those who are devoted to a study of God's word are incapable of this experience.

Now let me set you straight.

1. I love God very much and try everyday to do His will, and to set an example of love to my fellow man. I may fail at times, but that is between me and God. YOU ARE NOT A JUDGE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

2. My love for God leads me to study His Word diligently. I spend on average at least 2-3 hours every day studying His word. My conscience tells me that this is what pleases God. As a result of this study, I have a great passion for discussing and debating His word with others. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ABILITY TO LOVE GOD AND OTHERS!

3. Your experiences are your experiences, and nothing else. They do not set a pattern or standard in which others are to live in order to live up to your standards of love for God.

4. You do not have more love for God than those who diligently study His word. You just have less knowledge. Do not try to build yourself up by trivializiing the hard work and diligent study of those whose desire is to know everything that God wishes to reveal about Himself. There is pride demonstrated at times by those with knowledge. Everyone has weaknesses that cause them to sin. But this is no more sinful then your pious declarations of loving God more than others because you are fortunate enough to have less " head knowledge" then they, as if the two were mutually exclusive. And in any case it does not excuse your stereotyping of people.

5. Finally, we are told throughout the bible to study God's word, and to be able to discuss it and teach it. That is what this board is about. If that offends you, then perhaps you should sit alone in your room and burn incense and candles, and just love God. I would not judge you for it.

 

[Crossfire]

This is what I said.

You are not being simplistic, you are being simple minded.

If you understand sentence structure and grammar, you will realize that I never called you "simple minded". I was addressing your posting in which you were, in my opinion, "writing in a simple minded way. Notice "you are being", which indicates that you are acting in that way, not that you are that way.

Now, let us address your hypocracy. Your previous posting stated that you have found that many who are on this board would be nothing but "religious pharisees headed for hell", if it were not for your "simplistic heart knowledge". I have never said that anyone was going to hell, and I would never judge in this way.

Next, you claim to have the "recipe" for claiming a "correct" relationship of love with Jesus Christ, and anyone who does not follow your formula must be doing it wrong. You describe them as "prideful" and full of religious bondage. What kind of judgement is this?

Finally, you stereotype all people who are devoted to a study of Scriptures as incapable of loving God. You want to stress the "experience" of love, and claim that those who are devoted to a study of God's word are incapable of this experience.

Now let me set you straight.

1. I love God very much and try everyday to do His will, and to set an example of love to my fellow man. I may fail at times, but that is between me and God. YOU ARE NOT A JUDGE OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

2. My love for God leads me to study His Word diligently. I spend on average at least 2-3 hours every day studying His word. My conscience tells me that this is what pleases God. As a result of this study, I have a great passion for discussing and debating His word with others. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ABILITY TO LOVE GOD AND OTHERS!

3. Your experiences are your experiences, and nothing else. They do not set a pattern or standard in which others are to live in order to live up to your standards of love for God.

4. You do not have more love for God than those who diligently study His word. You just have less knowledge. Do not try to build yourself up by trivializiing the hard work and diligent study of those whose desire is to know everything that God wishes to reveal about Himself. There is pride demonstrated at times by those with knowledge. Everyone has weaknesses that cause them to sin. But this is no more sinful then your pious declarations of loving God more than others because you are fortunate enough to have less " head knowledge" then they, as if the two were mutually exclusive. And in any case it does not excuse your stereotyping of people.

5. Finally, we are told throughout the bible to study God's word, and to be able to discuss it and teach it. That is what this board is about. If that offends you, then perhaps you should sit alone in your room and burn incense and candles, and just love God. I would not judge you for it.

*shaking head again*

Then it would most likely surprise you that I major in both church history and theology. I also know what it's like to be trapped in intellectualism and how only the love of God and for God can break such bondage.

Oh well. I guess some people can't see the forest for all of the trees....

Anyways, this conversation is over.

 

[superdave5221]

*shaking head again*

Then it would most likely surprise you that I major in both church history and theology. I also know what it's like to be trapped in intellectualism and how only the love of God and for God can break such bondage.

Oh well. I guess some people can't see the forest for all of the trees....

Anyways, this conversation is over.

Once again, it is all about you. Because you experienced this entrapment, then that must be the pattern for everyone.

My experience is that the more I know about God, the more that I want to know, and the more that I love Him and the more I become like Jesus Christ.

If you have been married for 20 years, or known someone intimately for a long time, often you know exactly what they are thinking.

This is what happens to me when I study God's Word. Holy Spirit reveals a knowledge of Jesus Christ through the Holy Scriptures. I come to know Him intimately. My study continues to bring me closer to God. It does not separate me into intellectualism.

As I said, your experiences are yours. Do not extrapolate them onto everyone else and stereotype.

The study of God should not be done in isolation. We learn from others. I have learned a lot from others in CC and continue to do so. That is why I continue to post here.

But I am offended when someone trivializes my devotion to study as something that is detrimental to my relationship with God, when I know for certain that the opposite is true.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

There's is!only one God God the Father he came in the Flesh as his Son 1st Timothy 3:16 and God himself is a Spirit the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost r one in the same they r not 3 seperate s

Dear theBibleisawesome:
That's an ancient evil heresy known as modalism/Sabellianism! Already rejected and judged evil by the Orthodox Church!
Our God is Awesome!
Scott Harrington Erie PA

 

[theBibleisawsome]

Ok God Bless u brother

 

[theBibleisawsome]

The Bible says God is the only judge so ill let him Judge me because he knows all truth he knows who tells the truth and who tells lies don't judge unless u wanna be judge twice as much as u judge and the Bible says to pray for ur persecuters and those that hate u and ur enemies so I won't judge nobody but follow as Jesus said and let him be my perfect example God bless u all

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Scripture asks me to confess and believe that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh, not "Jesus IS God!". I know for a fact from my study of Scripture that Yahweh is Yahshua's FATHER, since he is frequently recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as referring to Him as his and our FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN when he himself was HERE ON EARTH. FATHER Yahweh is also recorded in this same section of Scripture as referring to Yahshua as His SON. Any simpleton knows that one can not be their own father and that one can not be their own son!

There are some 107 Scripture verses and passages in the so-called "Old Testament" that proclaim and say that FATHER Yahweh "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM and that there was "NO ONE BESIDE HIM". FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua is never once recorded in the so-called "New Testament" as proclaiming or saying that he had created ANYTHING. In fact, Yahshua is recorded in this section of Scripture as crediting his and our FATHER Yahweh for creating.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

"Jesus IS God!"?

The Greek word 'kyrios' is used in reference to FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua.

"As an adjective the word 'kyrios' means literally 'having power or authority over', 'capable', 'authorized', etc."

Yahshua proclaimed that all power (authority) had been GIVEN to him in Heaven and in the Earth. Obviously it was his and our FATHER Yahweh Who GAVE His SON this power (authority), since it is FATHER Yahweh Who is the source of all power (authority). FATHER Yahweh would not need to be GIVEN all power (authority), since He has always had power (authority).

 

[theBibleisawsome]

The Bible says that Jesus is the Messiah 1 Timothy 3:16 I believe says that God was manifested in the Flesh God the Father came in the Flesh of His Son God the Father and Jesus r not two seperates but the same