jesus is not God

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Another example Canada from my last post to u is that if im starting a group and its only me n one other guy im gonna ask somebody do u WA.n join our group im not gonna say do u wanna join we group or us group our can be two people it doesn't nessecarly mean 3
 
God is both Word and Spirit, but the two are not seperate entities. They are aspects of the one true God. I honestly don't know how someone could come up with two, or even three gods. God said himself that there is nobody to left of Him or the right of Him. He is the only One.
 
HearOhIsreal said:
God is both Word and Spirit, but the two are not seperate entities. They are aspects of the one true God. I honestly don't know how someone could come up with two, or even three gods. God said himself that there is nobody to left of Him or the right of Him. He is the only One.
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Very well said in accordance with Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word!
 
First off, to say that God meant for us to understand everything about Him is completely unscriptural. He said His ways are higher than ours, and his thoughts are deeper than ours. Therefore, we WILL not understand everything about Him.
Secondly, we live in a world which is based in carnal logic. God's logic is kingdom logic. Now, can God reveal His logic to us? Yes, but that doesnt mean He will in every circumstance. If he did there would be absolutely no reason to have faith. We would have no reason to trust anyone else because we would have all of the answers.
Thirdly, what we call contridictions are only conflictual based in carnal logic. If you belies the words of Jesus then His words have proven this. He claimed the kingdom is now and not yet. Both sides of that coin are equally true.
Lastly, context is EVERYTHING! Jesus answered the people's question through actions. Regardless of whether or not He opened His mouth and said, "yes, I am God as well as the Son of God.". So what is the context? Jesus was surrounded by people who knew Jewish prophecy and who understood the Jewish understanding of the attributes of God. Any Jew knew that any man claiming to forgive sins was also claiming to be God. Jesus DID what only
God could do. The Jews knew that when He did these things He was claiming to be God Himself. He took on the authority of God Himself. The actions He took were more crucial to His claim than any words He could have used.
 
The Three Terms, Not Three Persons
FATHER IS A TERM of relationship. When we speak of God as the Father, we
are speaking to Him in terms of our relationship to Him as His born again children.
When we pray, we may speak to God as our Father. But we wouldn’t usually say,
“The Father is really moving in this service.”Or,“He was filled with the Father.”
Instead we would say,“The Spirit is moving.”Or,“He was filled with the Spirit.”
The Spirit is not a third divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son. The
Spirit is God is action. Think of these terms this way:
The Father is God in relationship.
The Son is God in flesh.
The Holy Spirit is God is spiritual action.15
As Father, God is the One who gives anointing. As Son, God is the Anointed One,
the Christ. As Spirit, God is the anointing. These are not three distinct divine
persons; they are simply three descriptive titles showing us the way God works in
our lives to bring salvation.
For salvation to come to man, there had to be a sinless man for the sacrifice. For the
Son to be a genuine man, He had to be born of a woman. But for the Son to be
sinless man, He had to be conceived by God. Therefore, to bring salvation God had to
become the Father. But once the Son had died and been raised, God had to begin
operating in the world as Spirit. Therefore, to bring salvation the Spirit had begin
moving, just as it did when God brought order to His creation in Genesis 1:2.
As the Spirit, God is able to be all places at the same time. 1 Corinthians 15:45
says,“And so it is written,‘The first man Adam became a living being.’The last
Adam became a life-giving spirit.”It is perfectly correct to say that Jesus is the
Spirit, Jesus is the Son, or that Jesus is the Father. As Acts 4:12 affirms,“Nor is
there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among
men by which we must be saved.”
When a person is filled with the Spirit, who comes to dwell within him? 1
Corinthians 3:16 says,“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that
the Spirit of God dwells in you?”2 Corinthians 13:5 says,“Do you not know
yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?”And Ephesians 4:6 says,“One God and
Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”Are there three
divine persons living in us? No. Jesus is in us by His Spirit.
God is not three distinct divine persons. Neither does He have three identities, three
personalities, or three centers of consciousness. God is not three at all, GOD IS ONE!
The doctrine of the trinity was developed by philosophers attempting to explain the
God of the Bible using the ideas of Greek philosophy. But in Colossians 2:8-9 Paul
warns,“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and
not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily....”
Making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of
our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of Him.... Ephesians 1:16-17
 
pentecostal said:
The Three Terms, Not Three Persons
FATHER IS A TERM of relationship. When we speak of God as the Father, we
are speaking to Him in terms of our relationship to Him as His born again children.
When we pray, we may speak to God as our Father. But we wouldn’t usually say,
“The Father is really moving in this service.”Or,“He was filled with the Father.”
Instead we would say,“The Spirit is moving.”Or,“He was filled with the Spirit.”
The Spirit is not a third divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son. The
Spirit is God is action. Think of these terms this way:
The Father is God in relationship.
The Son is God in flesh.
The Holy Spirit is God is spiritual action.15
As Father, God is the One who gives anointing. As Son, God is the Anointed One,
the Christ. As Spirit, God is the anointing. These are not three distinct divine
persons; they are simply three descriptive titles showing us the way God works in
our lives to bring salvation.
For salvation to come to man, there had to be a sinless man for the sacrifice. For the
Son to be a genuine man, He had to be born of a woman. But for the Son to be
sinless man, He had to be conceived by God. Therefore, to bring salvation God had to
become the Father. But once the Son had died and been raised, God had to begin
operating in the world as Spirit. Therefore, to bring salvation the Spirit had begin
moving, just as it did when God brought order to His creation in Genesis 1:2.
As the Spirit, God is able to be all places at the same time. 1 Corinthians 15:45
says,“And so it is written,‘The first man Adam became a living being.’The last
Adam became a life-giving spirit.”It is perfectly correct to say that Jesus is the
Spirit, Jesus is the Son, or that Jesus is the Father. As Acts 4:12 affirms,“Nor is
there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among
men by which we must be saved.”
When a person is filled with the Spirit, who comes to dwell within him? 1
Corinthians 3:16 says,“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that
the Spirit of God dwells in you?”2 Corinthians 13:5 says,“Do you not know
yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?”And Ephesians 4:6 says,“One God and
Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”Are there three
divine persons living in us? No. Jesus is in us by His Spirit.
God is not three distinct divine persons. Neither does He have three identities, three
personalities, or three centers of consciousness. God is not three at all, GOD IS ONE!
The doctrine of the trinity was developed by philosophers attempting to explain the
God of the Bible using the ideas of Greek philosophy. But in Colossians 2:8-9 Paul
warns,“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit,
according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and
not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily....”
Making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of
our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of Him.... Ephesians 1:16-17
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No, Yahshua ["Jesus"] is NOT the FATHER, he is the FATHER's SON. In fact, Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as taught in Greek philosophy. Please see the following PDF file study on this matter:


[PDF] THE “LOGOS” IN JOHN’S PROLOGUE
‘THE LOGOS’ MISAPPLIED
 
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All three are one not separate the word Father and Son r not names they r titles it is just like me im a son because I have a dad when I have a kid ill be a Father it doesn't make me two different people im still the same person as the same is with God he is the Father he came in the Flesh as his Son and the Bible says he's a Spirit the Holy Ghost all three r one they r not separated
 
theBibleisawsome said:
All three are one not separate the word Father and Son r not names they r titles it is just like me im a son because I have a dad when I have a kid ill be a Father it doesn't make me two different people im still the same person as the same is with God he is the Father he came in the Flesh as his Son and the Bible says he's a Spirit the Holy Ghost all three r one they r not separated
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Any simpleton knows that one can not be their own father and that one can not be their own son. A father and a son are two separate beings, not one.
 
HearOhIsreal said:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
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Note that this translation does NOT SAY "... and the word was Jesus." The word "God" translation is in reference to FATHER Yahweh, NOT His SON Yahshua. FATHER Yahweh's word was made flesh THROUGH (BY WAY OF) His SON Yahshua. Yahshua proclaimed that the word which he spoke was not his own, but taht of his and our FATHER Yahweh. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our FATHER Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
 
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superdave5221 said:
Once again, it is all about you. Because you experienced this entrapment, then that must be the pattern for everyone.

My experience is that the more I know about God, the more that I want to know, and the more that I love Him and the more I become like Jesus Christ.

If you have been married for 20 years, or known someone intimately for a long time, often you know exactly what they are thinking.

This is what happens to me when I study God's Word. Holy Spirit reveals a knowledge of Jesus Christ through the Holy Scriptures. I come to know Him intimately. My study continues to bring me closer to God. It does not separate me into intellectualism.

As I said, your experiences are yours. Do not extrapolate them onto everyone else and stereotype.

The study of God should not be done in isolation. We learn from others. I have learned a lot from others in CC and continue to do so. That is why I continue to post here.

But I am offended when someone trivializes my devotion to study as something that is detrimental to my relationship with God, when I know for certain that the opposite is true.
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oh and I agree. the more I learn of God and read His words from the Bible and listen to others talk about God and talk about God with them and pray with my brothers and sisters and even alone. the closer I feel to God and following that upward calling. :) I for one am glad you are on CC and sharing :)
 
Frank4YAHWEH said:
No, Yahshua ["Jesus"] is NOT the FATHER, he is the FATHER's SON. In fact, Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as taught in Greek philosophy. Please see the following PDF file study on this matter:


[PDF] THE “LOGOS” IN JOHN’S PROLOGUE
‘THE LOGOS’ MISAPPLIED
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he is the father. the son existed before his birth in the plans of the father not as a spirit being .

the son is refering to the humanity of jesus ( what he was manifest in)
 
What we now call the Incarnation (the taking on of human flesh) did not actually
occur until over seven hundred years after the prophecies of Isaiah had been
published. But finally,“when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His
Son, born of a woman...”(Galatians 4:4).
This One who was sent forth by God was the Child who was born, the Man we
know as Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As the Son, He was made like all the
descendants of Adam—of the dust of the earth. He was part of the things that
were made. Yet in Him the invisible God could be clearly seen, for Paul writes,
“Great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh”(1 Timothy
3:16). The Amplified Bible says that God was“made visible in human flesh.”This
is the Incarnation.
The reason God can be clearly seen in this Man named Jesus is because“in Him
dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”(Colossians 2:9). What’s more, He is
“the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person”(Hebrews 1:3),
“the image of the invisible God”(Colossians 1:15). An image is something that can3
be seen, either in the mind’s eye as a mental image or through physical eyes as a
material image.
 
The Plan Fulfilled
Some have mistakenly suggested that prior to His birth, the Son of God existed as
a separate Divine Being along with the invisible God. But this idea finds no
support in the Scriptures, for the Bible teaches that the Son preexisted His birth
only in prophetic anticipation; that is, the Bible tells us that even before He laid the
foundations of the world, God planned that He would one day walk the earth as a
Man, the Son, and would sacrifice His own body and shed His own blood for the
sins of man (Acts 20:28).“He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you”(1 Peter 1:20).
This plan, which the Bible calls“the Word,”was in God’s heart and mind from the
beginning, for“in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God”(John 1:1). The Word was God’s own image of Himself; it
was His plan for revealing Himself to His creation. He thought this plan out in
advance. He purposed it in His heart. He anticipated it. He could foresee it
happening. Then, when the time was right, He put His plan into action.
 
As He declared in days of old,“Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it”(Isaiah 46:11). The Eternal Spirit, the unique
Divine Being who created all things, the invisible God we call the Father, entered4
into His own creation as a visible human being.“He was in the world, and the
world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His
own, and His own did not receive Him”(John 1:10-11). Very few were able to see
the God who dwelled in the Man, Jesus Christ. When Philip asked,“Lord, show us
the Father, and it is sufficient for us,”Jesus answered,“Have I been with you so
long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the
Father”(John 14:9). The only way anyone will ever see God the Father is by
seeing the Man.
 
According to John,“No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,
who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him”(John 1:18). The Amplified Bible says that the Son has“brought Him out where He can be seen.”It is the
Son, the Man, who enables us to see the invisible God.“Whoever denies the Son
does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also”
(1 John 2:23).
Understanding the relationship between the Father and the Son, that is, between
the invisible Spirit and the visible Man, is the key to developing keen spiritual
eyesight. The Father and the Son are not two distinct Divine Beings at all, for the
Bible states plainly that“GOD IS ONE”(Galatians 3:20). The Eternal Spirit is a
single Divine Being who indwells and manifests Himself through a uniquely
conceived human being called the Son. We see here two distinct natures, one
human and one divine, but not two distinct Divine Beings. If you can grasp this
marvelous truth, you will ultimately be able to rightly divide the entire Word of
God.
 
Ok frank with us nothing is possible but with God everything is possible saying God can't do something is blasphemy
 
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