and if we look in History than I can only see that this is the RCC with their false doctrine of Jesus is God and Mary being mother of God.
for it is written Many will be led astray
jesus is not God
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and if we look in History than I can only see that this is the RCC with their false doctrine of Jesus is God and Mary being mother of God.
for it is written Many will be led astray
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Truthful I agree that people make graven images when the Bible says don't they make statutes of the saints and claim them to be Holy and worship them and thats a sin thats wrong the Bible says don't do that and people still do and noone here has seen Jesus the Bible doesn't give us a description of what he looks like or what color was his skin but yet u see all these pictures that they say is Jesus and the Bible says no graven images and they still do I guarantee u can rip or break a picture or statute that people claim is Jesus and I guarantee nothing will happen to u also u can break the statue or rip a picture of a saint and again nothing will happen to u they r dead they are human just like us their dead and can't do nothing I guarantee it and once again if Jesus ain't God answer my last question I asked u truthful if their separate why didn't Jesus tell Phillip my Father is in heaven
Truthful I agree that people make graven images when the Bible says don't they make statutes of the saints and claim them to be Holy and worship them and thats a sin thats wrong the Bible says don't do that and people still do and noone here has seen Jesus the Bible doesn't give us a description of what he looks like or what color was his skin but yet u see all these pictures that they say is Jesus and the Bible says no graven images and they still do I guarantee u can rip or break a picture or statute that people claim is Jesus and I guarantee nothing will happen to u also u can break the statue or rip a picture of a saint and again nothing will happen to u they r dead they are human just like us their dead and can't do nothing I guarantee it and once again if Jesus ain't God answer my last question I asked u truthful if their separate why didn't Jesus tell Phillip my Father is in heaven
John 20:17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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Shroom that doesn't answer my question ur giving me a example from a different Scripture than the one im question ing on when Philip said to Jesus show us the Father it will satisfy us he had the perfect oppurtunity right there to shoe he and his Father r separate and he didn't say my Father is in heaven I can't show u him he said have I been so long time with u and yet u still don't know me Philip indicating he and His Father r one because he didn't respond with an answer to make us think otherwise
Jesus and his Father are one in purpose, not one and the same. The verse I quoted plainly says Jesus was about to ascend to his Father. If he was going to ascend to the Father, he is not the Father.Shroom that doesn't answer my question ur giving me a example from a different Scripture than the one im question ing on when Philip said to Jesus show us the Father it will satisfy us he had the perfect oppurtunity right there to shoe he and his Father r separate and he didn't say my Father is in heaven I can't show u him he said have I been so long time with u and yet u still don't know me Philip indicating he and His Father r one because he didn't respond with an answer to make us think otherwise
Shroom that doesn't answer my question ur giving me a example from a different Scripture than the one im question ing on when Philip said to Jesus show us the Father it will satisfy us he had the perfect oppurtunity right there to shoe he and his Father r separate and he didn't say my Father is in heaven I can't show u him he said have I been so long time with u and yet u still don't know me Philip indicating he and His Father r one because he didn't respond with an answer to make us think otherwise
the red coloured verses: if you can explain vers 20, than you have the awnser for vers 10 and 9,
if I use your theory for vers 9,10 then in vers 20 you are God? for it says the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in you, but I dont use youre theory. because of Jesus respond in verse 20 I think otherwise.
9Have I been so long a time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?
10Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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19Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but you see me: because I live, you shall live also.
20At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
(the spiritual way is hidden for our eyes with reason and I respect this
but my toughts are:
God can dwell in a sinless faithfull man and accompany that man, like Jesus.
A demon or even many demons can only dwell inside a lost man, but that man isnt the demon they are two seperate persons, when the demon takes over (possesed) the demon can speak to us, when the demon quietly dwells inside the man, the man will do the demons works like rape,lust,killing,abuse,etc
Gods spirit is greater than our spirit He can dwell in His creation, He just can( this I cant explain) and He accompanied Jesus His son, but did not took over (possesed).
these above are my toughts and not scripture and are no value for youre soul or mine!)
The One who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to Him!” (John 8:29)
The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news ( luke 4.18)
you ask to explain only one vers, but if one vers could tell the truth, why would you not throw away the other verses? you need all the verses to see the truth.
Peace be with you
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U keep saying im saying im God u keep speaking blasphemy ur the one getting God mad with ur false words about me truthful cuz I never said im God u keep saying that not me
I explain to you what you ask off me, but you don't what I ask off you?
again please explain:
20At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you
then you shall know why I say; that youre saying in other words that youre God, which I dont agree and therefor the blasphemy is not from me
if you can't explain then leave it open
again please explain:
20At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you
then you shall know why I say; that youre saying in other words that youre God, which I dont agree and therefor the blasphemy is not from me
if you can't explain then leave it open
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Christ's personal prayer in John chapter 17 reveals His intrinsic Godhead, His perfect relationship that can only be explained as equality between Father and Son. As an aside, believers are brought into this relationship as He says 'I in them and you in Me." That is not to say they become divine but that they are inseparably linked to the Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And let's be clear, Jesus claimed to be God!Here is your first clue, the scripture does not need explaining.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. KJV
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Im gonna let God judge then cuz I never said im God may God be the judge if im saying im God then may I be be punish God knows who's telling the truth and who's not and Jesus never said me and my Father r one in faith ur adding that on to the verse Je rsus said im in my Father and my Father is in me.
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Also the Bible says to that God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said destroy this temple and I will raise it in 3 days He was talking about His body but they didn't understand Him so if God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus said he himself will raise his body after three days then in other words Jesus is God God bless u u all
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Jesus and his Father are one in purpose, not one and the same. The verse I quoted plainly says Jesus was about to ascend to his Father. If he was going to ascend to the Father, he is not the Father.
you clearly do not know the son.
he was speaking in his humanity when he said he is going to ascend to his father.
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you clearly do not know the son.
he was speaking in his humanity when he said he is going to ascend to his father.
Exactly. Jesus was / is the Holy Spirit adorned (wrapped) in human flesh. Did Jesus have a mind / will of his own? Yes, for Jesus mentions several times in scripture that he does not his own will but rather, he does what he sees the Father doing.
I strongly suggest that people do their research, look up the scriptural context every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of God' and every time Jesus used the phrase 'son of man'. When Jesus refers to himself as 'Son of God', he is referring to his own divinity. When he calls himself 'son of man', he is referring to his humanity. For example, every time Jesus speaks about his coming crucifixion, he refers to himself as the 'son of man' because it is his body that is about to crucified.
It's a very interesting study and one that will not only help people understand the duality of Christ but also the duality of a true born again believer who understands what it means to bring his or her flesh under subjection and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus is God the one and only God the Bible says God raised Jesus from the dead and Jesus himself said destroy this temple meaning his Body and he will raise it from the dead in 3 days so put two n two Jesus is God the one and only God those which believe he is the one and only God we have to stand up and defend for our Jesus that he is God. Gby pentecostal
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But don't fight with people my brothers talk to them nicely and don't be offended by anything they tell u if its something bad or if they try fighting with u don't fight with them just pray for them and don't fight with them Jesus said we have to show his love to others because he showed us his love to us so pray for others and don't fight with anybody God Bless u all
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and if we look in History than I can only see that this is the RCC with their false doctrine of Jesus is God and Mary being mother of God.
for it is written Many will be led astray
2Pe 2:1 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
St Peter the Apostle is talking about the heresies of the Gnostics and the Arians. The Gnostics was a sect in the 1st Century which denies the Lord by saying that he did not come in the flesh. The Arians also deny the Lord (you are an Arian as well) because they believe that Jesus was not God come in the flesh.
So its you who who are led astray. As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, we have the full authority and "Unity of the Faith" (Eph 4:13), so you won't be able to shift me or make me believe you (Eph 4:14). Our doctrine's are the teachings of the Holy Spirit in the light of the Holy Scriptures. We teach that Mary is the Theotokos, "Mother of God". She is the Mother of God because Jesus was God and Man when she bore Him. The holy Orthodox Church already Anathematized (calls accursed) the Arians who believed as you do. You are held under Anathema.
Read this, its from the Second Council of Constantinople (553 AD):
THE ANATHEMAS OF THE SECOND COUNCIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE (553 AD)
The Second Council of Constantinople was called to resolve certain questions that were raised by the Definition of Chalcedon, the most important of which had to do with the unity of the two natures, God and man, is Jesus Christ. The Second Council of Constantinople confirmed the Definition of Chalcedon, while emphasizing that Jesus Christ does not just embody God the Son, He is God the Son.
I. If anyone does not confess that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one nature or essence, one power or authority, worshipped as a trinity of the same essence, one deity in three hypostases or persons, let him be anathema. For there is one God and Father, of whom are all things, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and one Holy Spirit, in whom are all things.
II. If anyone does not confess that God the Word was twice begotten, the first before all time from the Father, non- temporal and bodiless, the other in the last days when he came down from the heavens and was incarnate by the holy, glorious, God-bearer, ever-virgin Mary, and born of her, let him be anathema.
III. If anyone says that God the Word who performed miracles is one and Christ who suffered is another, or says that God the Word was together with Christ who came from woman, or that the Word was in him as one person is in another, but is not one and the same, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, incarnate and become human, and that the wonders and the suffering which he voluntarily endured in flesh were not of the same person, let him be anathema.
IV. If anyone says that the union of the Word of God with man was only according to grace or function or dignity or equality of honor or authority or relation or effect or power or according to his good pleasure, as though God the Word was pleased with man, or approved of him, as the raving Theodosius says; or that the union exists according to similarity of name, by which the Nestorians call God the Word Jesus and Christ, designating the man separately as Christ and as Son, speaking thus clearly of two persons, but when it comes to his honor, dignity, and worship, pretend to say that there is one person, one Son and one Christ, by a single designation; and if he does not acknowledge, as the holy Fathers have taught, that the union of God is made with the flesh animated by a reasonable and intelligent soul, and that such union is according to synthesis or hypostasis, and that therefore there is only one person, the Lord Jesus Christ one of the holy Trinity -- let him be anathema. As the word "union" has many meanings, the followers of the impiety of Apollinaris and Eutyches, assuming the disappearance of the natures, affirm a union by confusion. On the other hand the followers of Theodore and of Nestorius rejoicing in the division of the natures, introduce only a union of relation. But the holy Church of God, rejecting equally the impiety of both heresies, recognizes the union of God the Word with the flesh according to synthesis, that is according to hypostasis. For in the mystery of Christ the union according to synthesis preserves the two natures which have combined without confusion and without separation.
V. If anyone understands the expression -- one hypostasis of our Lord Jesus Christ -- so that it means the union of many hypostases, and if he attempts thus to introduce into the mystery of Christ two hypostases, or two persons, and, after having introduced two persons, speaks of one person according to dignity, honor or worship, as Theodore and Nestorius insanely have written; and if anyone slanders the holy synod of Chalcedon, as though it had used this expression in this impious sense, and does not confess that the Word of God is united with the flesh hypostatically, and that therefore there is but one hypostasis or one person, and that the holy synod of Chalcedon has professed in this sense the one hypostasis of our Lord Jesus Christ; let him be anathema. For the Holy Trinity, when God the Word was incarnate, was not increased by the addition of a person or hypostasis.
VI. If anyone says that the holy, glorious, and ever-virgin Mary is called God-bearer by misuse of language and not truly, or by analogy, believing that only a mere man was born of her and that God the Word was not incarnate of her, but that the incarnation of God the Word resulted only from the fact that he united himself to that man who was born of her; if anyone slanders the Holy Synod of Chalcedon as though it had asserted the Virgin to be God-bearer according to the impious sense of Theodore; or if anyone shall call her manbearer or Christbearer, as if Christ were not God, and shall not confess that she is truly God-bearer, because God the Word who before all time was begotten of the Father was in these last days incarnate of her, and if anyone shall not confess that in this pious sense the holy Synod of Chalcedon confessed her to be God-bearer: let him be anathema.
VII. If anyone using the expression, "in two natures," does not confess that our one Lord Jesus Christ is made known in the deity and in the manhood, in order to indicate by that expression a difference of the natures of which the ineffable union took place without confusion, a union in which neither the nature of the Word has changed into that of the flesh, nor that of the flesh into that of the Word (for each remained what it was by nature, even when the union by hypostasis had taken place); but shall take the expression with regard to the mystery of Christ in a sense so as to divide the parties, let him be anathema. Or if anyone recognizing the number of natures in the same our one Lord Jesus Christ, God the Word incarnate, does not take in contemplation only the difference of the natures which compose him, which difference is not destroyed by the union between them -- for one is composed of the two and the two are in one -- but shall make use of the number two to divide the natures or to make of them persons properly so called, let him be anathema.
VIII. If anyone confesses that the union took place out of two natures or speaks of the one incarnate nature of God the Word and does not understand those expressions as the holy Fathers have taught, that out of the divine and human natures, when union by hypostasis took place, one Christ was formed; but from these expressions tries to introduce one nature or essence of the Godhead and manhood of Christ; let him be anathema. For in saying that the only-begotten Word was united by hypostasis personally we do not mean that there was a mutual confusion of natures, but rather we understand that the Word was united to the flesh, each nature remaining what it was. Therefore there is one Christ, God and man, of the same essence with the Father as touching his Godhead, and of the same essence with us as touching his manhood. Therefore the Church of God equally rejects and anathematizes those who divide or cut apart or who introduce confusion into the mystery of the divine dispensation of Christ.
IX. If anyone says that Christ ought to be worshipped in his two natures, in the sense that he introduces two adorations, the one peculiar to God the Word and the other peculiar to the man; or if anyone by destroying the flesh, or by confusing the Godhead and the humanity, or by contriving one nature or essence of those which were united and so worships Christ, and does not with one adoration worship God the Word incarnate with his own flesh, as the Church of God has received from the beginning; let him be anathema.
X. If anyone does not confess that our Lord Jesus Christ who was crucified in the flesh is true God and the Lord of Glory and one of the Holy Trinity; let him be anathema.
XI. If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinaris, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, together with their impious, godless writings, and all the other heretics already condemned and anathematized by the holy catholic and apostolic Church, and by the aforementioned four Holy Synods and all those who have held and hold or who in their godlessness persist in holding to the end the same opinion as those heretics just mentioned; let him be anathema.