jesus is not God

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Diadem said:
hey what can you say about this verse about the deity of Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will [SUP][a][/SUP]rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.


It says Mighty God. :D
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When the angel appeared to Mary he said His name would be Emanuel...meaning GOD with us.
 
mark54 said:
Lol
Who is responsible for resurrecting this thread?
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....PS.....which is fine.
i just don't get why do it.
ppl end up debating ppl who aren't here.

ps mark: ya never really had me ig-nore:rolleyes:
are you gonna answer my questions now?
i could get your others writings....from a long time ago.
 
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Thomas answered and said to Him "my Lord and my God!" John 20:28

Simon Peter,a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours,by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:1


Jesus said to them "Truly truly I say to you,before Abraham was born, I am" John 8:58

I am is the name of God. Look at Exodus, there are many more passages. Yes Jesus is God.
 
The jews answered Him "for a good work we do not stone You but for blasphemy,and because You being a man, make Yourself out to be God" John 10:33

The unbelieving jews knew that Jesus was claiming to be God
 
didn't he actually claim to be one with God, My Father and I are one. No one gets to the Father except through me my Father is here with me, was not this the Holy Ghost that descended on him at water babtism, and the same Holy Ghost he sent the disciples at Pentecost and we are the ones that recieve this at belief, form Father plants this in us, all three being one like a cherry pie, we can it in three distinct pieces but the filling just flows right back together.
 
So you never heard of the Holy Trinity!? I will get back to you on this. Want to answer to the best of my ability and pray about it first.
 
So maybe we should take a baby step and agree yes or no concerning who the two men were?

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.



Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
 
Hebrews chapter one you may want to read. One thing i can tell you is that the Holy Trinity can cause much confusion, because people don't get how one person can be in three. There are many things in God's word we will never understand, however we just need to believe that what God says is the truth. The trinity is like water. Water can be frozen into a solid, it can be boiled and become a gas (steam) , but it is still water in different forms. Only God can do what we think is the imposible. Jesus is God! Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three in one. Please pray about this because it is very important for you to believe. It is unfortunate that some people are not taught God's truth. So learn all you can and continue to search the scriptures yourself. Just because people tell you something about God's word it doesn't make it a fact. Trust God to put people in your life who can help you to understand and pray that the Lord will help you believe even if you don't quite get it. He loves you and will answer your prayer concerning this issue. Hope this was a help.
 
I do not mean any disrespect to you, but this was a very important question that a Christian brother is having. It is essential that we as Christians on a Christian Chat be able to answer the best we can or if we can't at least pray for the situation. I am sorry, but I take these conversations serious.
 
Hi Truthfull, you have the right understanding Jesus is not God. Instead he is Gods son as shown in the scriptures below. If you have any other questions please private message me.Matthew 24:36)-"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son , but only the Father."
This ultimately sais that the Father knows more than the son does.
(John 14:28):"Jesus said if you have loved me, you would have rejoiced , because I go to the Father ; for the Father is greater than I"
(Matthew 26:39): "Going a little farther he Jesus Christ fell on his face and prayed, 'My Father, if it be possible , let this cup pass from me , nevertheless , not as I will but as thou wilt."
If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals , such a prayer would be meaningless.
 
BibleEd said:
Hi Truthfull, you have the right understanding Jesus is not God. Instead he is Gods son as shown in the scriptures below. If you have any other questions please private message me.Matthew 24:36)-"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son , but only the Father." This ultimately sais that the Father knows more than the son does. (John 14:28):"Jesus said if you have loved me, you would have rejoiced , because I go to the Father ; for the Father is greater than I" (Matthew 26:39): "Going a little farther he Jesus Christ fell on his face and prayed, 'My Father, if it be possible , let this cup pass from me , nevertheless , not as I will but as thou wilt." If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals , such a prayer would be meaningless.
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Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God. Please don't confuse his birth with his divine attributes.
 
Jesus of course has divine attributes, he is the Son of God. By son this means he was the first of Gods creation as shown in Colossians 1:1 where it says "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" Later on he was sent down by God in a fleshly form to die for all of ours sins. As shown in my previous points, the bible clearly shows that they were not one person. How can the Father be greater than the son if they are the same person? Matthew 26:39.
 
BibleEd said:
Jesus of course has divine attributes, he is the Son of God. By son this means he was the first of Gods creation as shown in Colossians 1:1 where it says "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" Later on he was sent down by God in a fleshly form to die for all of ours sins. As shown in my previous points, the bible clearly shows that they were not one person. How can the Father be greater than the son if they are the same person? Matthew 26:39.
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Let us look at Colossians chapter 1 beginning at verse 15. Most of it is easily understood but there are a couple of things that would have been understood by the early church but are a stumbling block to us. The first is the word image which conjures up an image of an idol which has caused heresy among the cults. It could be thought that Jesus is the physical image of the invisible God scripture tells us it is a reference to God’s perfect nature to which we shall be transformed:

have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:9b

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:49

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2Co 3:18
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Another stumbling block which has caused heresy among the cults is the word “firstborn.” This has caused people to say that Jesus is a created being which totally misses the importance of Christ's death and resurrection making him the firstborn from the dead and the pre-eminent head of the church on earth.

Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood,

4416 /prōtótokos ("firstly") specifically refers to Christ as the first to experience glorification, i.e. at His resurrection (see Heb 12:23; Rev 1:5). For this (and countless other reasons) Jesus is "preeminent" (4416 /prōtótokos) – the unequivocal Sovereign over all creation (Col 1:16).
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Continuing our study we read:

i) Jesus is God
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:1)

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Tim 3:16 16)

ii) Jesus is Father i.e. Father God
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

iii) Jesus is the Creator
“by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

iv) Jesus is before all things, and by him all things consist.

v) Jesus is the head of the body, the church: which had it's beginning in the resurrection firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.”
 
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PS said:
ii) Jesus is Father i.e. Father God
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
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Jesus is not the Father...nor does this verse, or its context ever state that Jesus is the Father.

This is simply non-Biblical and non-scriptural...
 
Bowman said:
Jesus is not the Father...nor does this verse, or its context ever state that Jesus is the Father.

This is simply non-Biblical and non-scriptural...
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Then please explain John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Explain what Jesus meant when he said "Before Abraham, I AM."

Then tell us if the Bible is lying when it tells us Jesus is God on earth?

Is scripture wrong when it tells us Jesus is Immanuel meaning God with us?

Is John 1:1 wrong when it tells us the Word who is Jesus was God? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Is John 1:14 wrong? "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Is Col 1:16 wrong when it tells us Jesus is the creator? "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

I can give much more.

Or do you need to rethink your trintarian theology and instead of dividing God up, try to understand the various rolls of One God who is All in All.
 
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Bowman said:
Jesus is not the Father...nor does this verse, or its context ever state that Jesus is the Father.

This is simply non-Biblical and non-scriptural...
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Well here's a first, I agree with you Bowman
Now that should worry you!
 
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