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As I have stated many times Before the Word "Trinity" and even the Notion of a Definite "trinity" is Not in the Bible. It should be that simple to understand if your Mind is limited to the Parameters of the Scriptures put in the Bible...
Though I have already said it many times...The Trinity is a Pagan Concept. It can be found in many religions and mysticisms that actually ARE difficult to Understand. What you are saying isn't Complex or Difficult or Mysterious.
"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet the one is not three, and the three are not one."-Thomas Jefferson
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Evan, I wasn't influenced by pagan religions but the Bible. Are you willfully being this stubborn?
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Holy Spirit of the Right Hand of The Father, God. He is also called the Captain of the host of the Lord in the Old Testament, and the priest forever after the order of Melchisidec.
I would encourage all who don't know that Jesus is God to first figure out who the Captain of the host of the Lord is, and the preist forever after the order of Melchisidec (they were both worshiped, and approved to be worshiped). If you don't know know who these two men are in the old testament (the high priest with no beginning or measure), then you don't fully understand the everlasting priesthood (Christians are the everlasting priesthood, well, Christians in spirit and in truth). Nobody calling themselves a Christian is even close to understanding who they are, where they're from, what their job is, etc., if they don't understand the everlasting priesthood.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
First of all, tithe is worship (although the everlasting high priesthood cannot tithe to itself, so now we should understand the commonwealth of israel now that we have the Holy Spirit). Second of all, we see Melchisedec also in this passage...
Gen 18:1 And the LORD (
H3068
יהוה
y[SUP]ehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.)
[/SUP]appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Gen 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
Gen 18:5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
Gen 18:6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
Gen 18:7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
God is a spirit, soul, and earthen vessel with no beginning and no measure. We have a beginning, and a measure.
I would encourage all who don't know that Jesus is God to first figure out who the Captain of the host of the Lord is, and the preist forever after the order of Melchisidec (they were both worshiped, and approved to be worshiped). If you don't know know who these two men are in the old testament (the high priest with no beginning or measure), then you don't fully understand the everlasting priesthood (Christians are the everlasting priesthood, well, Christians in spirit and in truth). Nobody calling themselves a Christian is even close to understanding who they are, where they're from, what their job is, etc., if they don't understand the everlasting priesthood.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
First of all, tithe is worship (although the everlasting high priesthood cannot tithe to itself, so now we should understand the commonwealth of israel now that we have the Holy Spirit). Second of all, we see Melchisedec also in this passage...
Gen 18:1 And the LORD (
H3068
יהוה
y[SUP]ehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.)
[/SUP]appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Gen 18:4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
Gen 18:5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
Gen 18:6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
Gen 18:7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
God is a spirit, soul, and earthen vessel with no beginning and no measure. We have a beginning, and a measure.
The ending words are not my words rather Thomas Jefferson's...Have some respect for Men with Intelligence.
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Tintin
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simple enough...
If you were Influenced SOLELY by the Bible you would have no Reason to Believe in a "Trinity"
Taking this into fact...Am I the one being stubborn?
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Tintin
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I was taught the Trinity only using the Bible. Pagan religions may have a three god concept but they're three gods that are linked, not one God in three persons. Again, there's a difference but you're not willing to see or even acknowledge it. I wouldn't quote a Freemason if you want truth about the Trinity. They believe any old crap, they're a cult.
That's actually Not enough said at all. Seeing that being a high Ranking Free masons entitles anything but Simplicity...
How do you know I am not a free mason? If you demand respect as a Christian, show it to other Ideologies as well...
You should Aspire to attain the Clarity and Knowledge of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and all the founding Fathers of America.
America has Freemasons to thank for it's creation.
Though I see you are not American c:
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Tintin
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I never said Freemasonry was about simplicity. Freemasonary is built on lies and deception. It's a cult. You can't be a Freemason and a Christian, it just doesn't work. You have an unhealthy respect for the Founding Fathers.
Okay, so you're not a Christian. Why should I listen about what you say about the Trinity? Only God's Truth via the Holy Spirit can reveal such things.
Okay, so you're not a Christian. Why should I listen about what you say about the Trinity? Only God's Truth via the Holy Spirit can reveal such things.
Again, I see people like to ignore the captain of the host of the Lord, and the preist forever after the order of Melchisedec (JEHOVAH), you know...the one who ate food in the presence of Abraham.
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Tintin
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Again...If you had SOLELY read the bible and nothing else you would not believe in a "Trinity". You were influenced by Religious Doctrine and Tradition originally stemming from the Roman Catholic Religion...Which they were influenced by Paganism. Many Pagan Traditions were Incorporated into the General Roman Catholic religion, all well educated Scholars know this. The Christmas Tree is a Perfect example seeing as that it has nothing to do with Jesus, it rather comes from Ancient Paganism.
The old Testament is Clear about Pagan Traditions like Decorating Trees for the Winter Solstice.
Jeremiah 10:"This is what the LORD says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations, For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold."
"They believe any Old Crap" This just shows such a vast knowledge and understanding of the 'Beliefs' of Freemasonry...Freemasonry being a SECRET society, so you would actually have to be a Freemason before you tell me about what Freemasons Believe...
"They believe any Old Crap and they're a cult"
Well Couldn't you and other Christians be accused of the same?
I mean look you believe in the "Trinity" don't you?
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The verses you highlighted are talking about creating wooden idols and adorning them with decorations, not talking about Christmas trees. Craftsmen carve wood into shapes, they don't carve Christmas trees.
As for knowing about Freemasonry, there are ex-Freemasons who've exposed the beliefs and practices. Also, being secret, they have something to hide. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but you don't have to be a Founding Father (ha!) to know that they're up to no good!
As for knowing about Freemasonry, there are ex-Freemasons who've exposed the beliefs and practices. Also, being secret, they have something to hide. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but you don't have to be a Founding Father (ha!) to know that they're up to no good!
The people who think Jesus is not God
They always like to ignore those scriptures, especially when they include the word JEHOVAH
You have 3 main parts that make up who you are as well, the spirit, soul, and earthen vessel (all with measure and beginning). Do you understand 3 are one? If you understand 3 are one, then you can also get to the point where you understand that a billion are 1 (by adoption).
The scripture is speaking of "Pagan" peoples that would Cut down Trees and Decorate them for Winter Solstice. The Tradition was Wide spread. What makes you think that would be Forbidden but the 'Christmas Tree' would not be? lol...
The Evergreen Tree was the most Sacred Tree to ancient Paganism (Just look at Sumerian Artifacts)
The people Joshua are referring to are not the only ones that had a Tradition of Cutting Evergreen trees Down and Decorating them (and putting presents under them)...This is one of the Oldest Pagan Traditions in the World
This is INDEED where the Christmas Tree Tradition comes from.
To try to say it comes from anything BUT is simply ignorant and stubborn.
All of the European Pagans of Constantine's time and before held Trees to be Sacred, and had Winter Solstice Festivals. (Many of the pagans believed in Trinities as well)
Indeed the Very date of Christmas being on the 25th has nothing to do with Jesus Obviously...But was chosen most likely because it is close to the Winter Solstice. Mithra, the ROMAN God's birthday was also on the 25th of December...
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No, the modern day Christmas tree practice developed in Germany during the 16th century amongst Christians.