jesus is not God

[heirofChrist]

OK my friend let me ask you this. Why couldnt you or me or anyone living today be the one to go on that cross and die for sins? Do you remember hours before Jesus's death he said take this cup from me yet not at my will but at yours? What do you think was in that cup? it wasn't the pharisees beating him and killing him that he was afraid of. The wrath of God was in that cup. Now, who could withstand the wrath of God and get back up? Only God him self could do such. See he became sin who knew no sin. If it is impossible for us to be perfect from beginning to end from our falling humanity since the beginning, how could Jesus merely only be a man and die for sins of mankind? Just because he wasnt birthed by Joseph? no fact is God came to Earth died for us and ressurected. He ascended up to the heavens and with a name mightier than all others. Why would God glorify some "human" as himself? He wouldnt. How could God justify sinners by a sinful "human being" dying for us? he couldnt, because he would not be just. If humans are pro-sin how could any human die for us? this isnt a quiz i just hope this displays how Jesus really is God

 

[godsron]

No, brother.

Jesus is not the Spirit....and the Spirit is not Jesus.

Jesus is God. The Spirit is God. The Father is God. Each is the One God - but not each other.

This is what we call the Trinity...

Ah of course the ever popular trial or 3 headed God that many think of. Like I said when God created man in his image he literally did. I defy anyone to try and separate their spirit, soul, and body from each other. We cannot because we are only 1 3 part being. The word "trinity" is not biblical

 

[godsron]

OK my friend let me ask you this. Why couldnt you or me or anyone living today be the one to go on that cross and die for sins? Do you remember hours before Jesus's death he said take this cup from me yet not at my will but at yours? What do you think was in that cup? it wasn't the pharisees beating him and killing him that he was afraid of. The wrath of God was in that cup. Now, who could withstand the wrath of God and get back up? Only God him self could do such. See he became sin who knew no sin. If it is impossible for us to be perfect from beginning to end from our falling humanity since the beginning, how could Jesus merely only be a man and die for sins of mankind? Just because he wasnt birthed by Joseph? no fact is God came to Earth died for us and ressurected. He ascended up to the heavens and with a name mightier than all others. Why would God glorify some "human" as himself? He wouldnt. How could God justify sinners by a sinful "human being" dying for us? he couldnt, because he would not be just. If humans are pro-sin how could any human die for us? this isnt a quiz i just hope this displays how Jesus really is God

I agree. It says God hath given him name which is above EVERY name. That would not be true if God's name was above his. They are one and the same.

 

[Bowman]

Ah of course the ever popular trial or 3 headed God that many think of.

No.

That is not the Trinity.

Like all Trinity deniers, you continue to flog a straw-man of your very own creation.

Like I said when God created man in his image he literally did.

Only Adam & Eve were created in the 'image & likeness' of God.

Gen 5 informs the reader that all of Adam's decedents were begotten in his fallen 'image & likeness'.

I defy anyone to try and separate their spirit, soul, and body from each other. We cannot because we are only 1 3 part being.

Hardly in the image of the Creator now is it...

The word "trinity" is not biblical

Its right next to the word 'monad'.

 

[godsron]

Again the word trinity is not there. The word godhead is. Also MAN was created in the literal image of God and not woman. Pay attention to the fact that Adam was made when it said that. It does not say man and woman were made in his image. Yea Adam was the one who looked just like Jesus. Says it in the new testament. Calls Jesus the last man Adam. Further proof that Jesus is God. If I speak it is I that speak and not another. I cannot separate my words from myself. Have you ever read 1st John 3:16 or Acts 20(I think)? One talks about God laying down his life, another says he purchased the church with his own blood. Isaiah prophesied n called the Son(Jesus) the Mighty God, the everlasting Father. Revelation calls him King of kings and Lord of lords. Keep in mind the word says there is one Lord. One one one one. Also calls Jesus and God both THE Savior. God said beside me there is no savior. He doesn't share his glory. Another prophecy tells Jesus "Thy throne, O God..." There are multiple proofs of Jesus being God and for someone to willingly be ignorant means they're trying to understand Scripture with the flesh and not the spirit. The carnal mind is enmity against God. One disciple told Jesus " shew us the Father and it sufficeth us" Jesus said "Have i been so long time with you and ye have not known me?" "If you have seen me you have seen the father" Thomas called him "my Lord and my God"...If you truly study the scripture you would recognize this. If you refuse to look up and study these infallible evidences then I am sorry. I hope the Lord opens your eyes. I pray God allows you to see his truth because it is there if you are willing to allow God to show you.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Shamrock is a perfect example of the Trinity. Tho it may not be stated in "exact" words, the Godhead is Three in One. Its like a Shamrock, which is a 3 leaf clover. They each are individually distinct but all three are Yahweh, our Lord, which in fact is One. Just as 3 leafs are separate, they are connected to one body. Not three gods, but three persons in One person, God. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

 

[GreenNnice]

Jesus is 100% God, even though He was fully man and fully God on earth, and, then, after His humanity (humanness) died, He did not, LOL, God cannot die, or, be killed, He ALLOWED Satan to orchestrate and follow through with killing Him so that He could DEFEAT Satan. Right? Right And, after Christ died, rose again, He ascended to sit at the right hand of God. The Deity is there now, just like the Holy Spirit, who is down here helping us, as per Jesus' instruction of what would happen after He left earth. 'I will send you a Helper....' The Helper is none other than Jesus, who is God, who is the name above all names and is the SAME name as God Himself, who has all authority the SAME as God up in Heaven

Now, some will say, there are TWO Gods . No !!!!!! The bible is dead-specific all throughout it, never, not even ONCE is there a part in the bible labeling 'God' as 'Gods,' is there? Go for it, find something contrarian to do this, I dare you

God !!! God !!! God !!! God !!! Not 'Gods' ​

 

[Tintin]

Actually, the Helper God left us with after Jesus ascended into Heaven was the Holy Spirit, not Jesus. Jesus was God in the flesh - 100% God/100% Man. It boggles the mind but we must remember that we can't fully understand God while we're part of this sinful world.

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes, Jesus' Helper is the Holy Spirit, understood, I should have put that in there, too, the three are One, three seperate purposes. One created life, God. One showed the way to life, Jesus. One leads us in our life, Holy Spirit.

All three though are One

 

[weakness]

The word trinity is not in scripture , but how bout triunegod? I always like the analogy to water (h2o), liquid, solid ice ,and vapor ,gas

 

[Bowman]

Again the word trinity is not there. The word godhead is.

Again...its right next to the word 'monad'.

Also MAN was created in the literal image of God and not woman. Pay attention to the fact that Adam was made when it said that. It does not say man and woman were made in his image.

No.

Both Adam & Eve were created in the 'image & likeness' of God. The terms are used separately, and together, inclusively. They were created 'bara', 'bara', bara'....Not once, not twice, but thrice...by the Triune Creator God of the Universe.

Yea Adam was the one who looked just like Jesus. Says it in the new testament. Calls Jesus the last man Adam. Further proof that Jesus is God.

If that proves that Jesus is God, then it must likewise prove that Adam is God.

Your logic is faulty...

If I speak it is I that speak and not another. I cannot separate my words from myself.

You can, however, speak on behalf of another.

God spoke through the prophets....thus, according your your logic, the divine word of God was actually the divine word of humans.

Again, terribly flawed logic...

Have you ever read 1st John 3:16 or Acts 20(I think)? One talks about God laying down his life, another says he purchased the church with his own blood. Isaiah prophesied n called the Son(Jesus) the Mighty God, the everlasting Father. Revelation calls him King of kings and Lord of lords. Keep in mind the word says there is one Lord. One one one one. Also calls Jesus and God both THE Savior. God said beside me there is no savior. He doesn't share his glory. Another prophecy tells Jesus "Thy throne, O God..." There are multiple proofs of Jesus being God and for someone to willingly be ignorant means they're trying to understand Scripture with the flesh and not the spirit. The carnal mind is enmity against God. One disciple told Jesus " shew us the Father and it sufficeth us" Jesus said "Have i been so long time with you and ye have not known me?" "If you have seen me you have seen the father" Thomas called him "my Lord and my God"...If you truly study the scripture you would recognize this. If you refuse to look up and study these infallible evidences then I am sorry. I hope the Lord opens your eyes. I pray God allows you to see his truth because it is there if you are willing to allow God to show you.

The Trinity already comprehends that Jesus is God.

It also comprehends that Jesus is not the Father and not the Spirit.

Its clear that you still somehow think that what you posted thwarts the Trinity....it doesn't.

You don't even know what the Trinity is to begin with....how then are you going to thwart something which you cannot rightly define in the first place?


Study up!

 

[CDavid]

As it is written is Genesis, there are many sons of God. The angels are the created sons of God. We could say that, like the Gentile Christians are adopted Jews, angels are adopted sons of God. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Non of the angels carry the God gene. Jesus was born of God before creation began. Ergo, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." Jesus was present during the creation, and had a hand in creating all things. [SUP]3[/SUP] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. When God said "let there be light" Jesus put the sun in the sky. When God said "let us make man in our image" He was speaking to Jesus.
Jesus proved He was God in human form by the miracles He preformed.

There is one God the Father, and there is none other. There is one God Son; Jesus, and there is none other. The only way to know the Father is through the Son.

Some how the Father and Son are one; "I and my Father are one". Could this be through the Spirit?

For any man to say he has all the answers is foolish. But, one day all will be revealed.

 

[PS]

1Co 15 "As the Scriptures say, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam is a life-giving spirit. The spiritual man did not come first. It was the physical man that came first; then came the spiritual.

The first man came from the dust of the earth. The second man came from heaven. All people belong to the earth. They are like that first man of earth. But those who belong to heaven are like that man of heaven.

We were made like that man of earth, so we will also be made like that man of heaven. I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God's kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.

But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed. It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed.

This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die. So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true: "Death is swallowed in victory."

By being the "Son of man" (Adam or humankind) Jesus was both the first and the last. The sacrifice Jesus made, paid the price for the sins of the whole of humankind, if only the whole of humankind would accept Him as their Saviour.

 

[Tintin]

Adam was the First Adam, Jesus Christ was the Second Adam. The First Adam was tempted and fell, sin entered the world. The Second Adam was tempted and didn't give into sin, God's grace flooded the world and all who choose to accept him, receive.

 

[PS]

Adam was the First Adam, Jesus Christ was the Second Adam. The First Adam was tempted and fell, sin entered the world. The Second Adam was tempted and didn't give into sin, God's grace flooded the world and all who choose to accept him, receive.

“Son of man” is a Hebrew idiom that signifies a persons trait, characteristic or destiny. The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that “Son of man” applies to mankind in general and is used to accentuate the difference between the sinfulness of mankind and the sinlessness of God who took upon himself the sins of the world, becoming the “Son of man” so that even the vilest sinner might be saved.

Sin came into the world through man and it needed man to pay the penalty for that sin. The man who paid the penalty for the sins of mankind was Jesus who became the “Son of man” and in so doing he became our “Sin bearer” 1 Peter 2:24. “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree. By his wounds we have been healed.” Isaiah 53:6” For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21)..

As Gleason Archer explains, God had to become one of us in order to redeem us from the guilt and penalty of our sin. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth’ ‘(John 1:14).

God as God could not forgive us for our sins unless our sins were fully paid for; otherwise He would have been a condoner and protector of the violation of His own holy law. It was only as a man that God in Christ could furnish satisfaction sufficient to atone for the sins of mankind; for only a man, a true human being, could properly represent the human race.

But at the same time our Redeemer had to be God, for only God could furnish a sacrifice of infinite value, to compensate for the penalty of eternal hell that our sin demands, according to the righteous claims of divine justice. Only God could have devised a way of salvation that made it possible for Him to remain Just and at the same time become the Justifier of the ungodly and instead of sending them to the everlasting perdition they deserved it was the perfect Man who was also infinite God that furnished an effectual sacrifice for all believers of every age.

 

[godsron]

The Trinity already comprehends that Jesus is God.

It also comprehends that Jesus is not the Father and not the Spirit.

Its clear that you still somehow think that what you posted thwarts the Trinity....it doesn't.

You don't even know what the Trinity is to begin with....how then are you going to thwart something which you cannot rightly define in the first place?


Study up!
[/QUOTE]

I don't try to "thwart" anything that's already been "thwarted" as u put it. Isaiah calls the Son the everlasting Father. You CANNOT get 2 different meanings from that. Quite simply put the Son and the Father are the same being. Calls Jesus the Father in one other place as God and our Father, Jesus Christ. A person cannot have two heavenly fathers. Scripture says one is your Father. I have one Father in heaven and his name is Jesus Christ. Who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. He has a name which is above every name.

Study down. Don't use your flesh to try to comprehend scripture.

 

[Bowman]

The Trinity...

I don't try to "thwart" anything that's already been "thwarted" as u put it. Isaiah calls the Son the everlasting Father. You CANNOT get 2 different meanings from that. Quite simply put the Son and the Father are the same being. Calls Jesus the Father in one other place as God and our Father, Jesus Christ. A person cannot have two heavenly fathers. Scripture says one is your Father. I have one Father in heaven and his name is Jesus Christ. Who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. He has a name which is above every name.

Study down. Don't use your flesh to try to comprehend scripture.

No.

Read the scripture....Isaiah uses the singular NAME when this attribute is given to the Son...along with numerous others listed in the very same verse, of which, are still referred to as a singular NAME.

This is yet another fatal flaw in your reasoning, as even in the NT, Jesus is said to have the same singular NAME as the Father & the Spirit.

Try reading the NT accounts of Jesus' baptism in which baptism is performed in the singular NAME of the Father, Son & Spirit...even though THREE are listed, it is still a singular NAME to which they are referred to.

Jesus is not the Father - but He has the same name.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: The Trinity...

The OP has been banned, yet this rattletrap of a thread rolls on.......

 

[Diadem]

You are right. God wants us to UNDERSTAND who He is, and who His Son Jesus Christ is. The trinity is beyond comprehension. The "hypostatic union" is a necessary fabrication by trinitarians in an attempt to cause their doctrine to make sense. Nothing can be 100% something and 100% something else. It makes no sense.

Jesus Christ is the SON of God, the second Adam, a MAN. Only God, the Father, is God.

1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

hey what can you say about this verse about the deity of Jesus.

[h=3]Isaiah 9:6[/h]New American Standard Bible (NASB)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will [SUP][a][/SUP]rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.


It says Mighty God.

 

[zone]

PS and others.
why go into the archives for ancient threads.
just start your own.