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None of us right apart from Christ, I'm with you on that.
I'm shaking the dust off my feet as my brother suggested.
Israel.
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I'm shaking the dust off my feet as my brother suggested.
Rosemary, you already know I am not here to discuss ox dung.
Who exactly are "the Jews" anyway?
Jesus is the king of the real Jews, and He tells no lies.
Romans 2:28-29
King James Version
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
So you know about it and won't discuss it. Fine.
As I've said before, it's too bad Hitler didn't have this POV there'd be 6 million more Jews in the world. God knows who the Jews are, the promises He made and He will keep them because, as you say, God does not lie.
Hitler and his close friends tended to believe in Godless social Darwinism as far as I understand.
I know they paid lip service to Catholicism from time to time, but even that I suspect was politics.
Religious themes are invoked in every bloody conflict, but I think the allegation that belief in the kingdom of Christ CAUSED it all is just a slur without substance.
God knows who His Jews are, and that is a thought I can share with you.
Surely it is not for us to dictate to Him who they are?
If God was to extent the borders of Israel would it have to stop at South Africa?
Could it not include the whole world?
Anyway, I think the New Covenant is a bit like that.
So what did you think of my new name for you?
Is that one ok?
Exactly. God disciplined the whole nation of Israel, nor just a few individuals.
Rubbish. The land is the land and the heaven and new earth just that. There will be no Israel in the new heaven and earth. That is because there will be no sun or moon. And that is the day when God's covenant with Abraham comes to its conclusion. Jeremiah 31: 36 & 37. God's covenant includes the physical land of Israel. And wonder of wonders, Israel exists and prospers in spite of all the hostility of the nations. Psalm 2
False. The land is heavenly. Its the heavenly inheritance. Ps 37:11,18
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
CP 1 Pet 1:4
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Same inheritance for same people
Abraham for his inheritance wasn't interested in a literial earthly land inheritance, but heavenly
Heb 11:8,13-16
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country/land.
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a better country/land, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
See that ? The Land inheritance is heavenly ! You have it all wrong
Two evils, replacement theology and dispensationalism, working in tandem, accept it.
Very wrong, a bad mash up of figurative, symbolic, abstract and literal
The clock is running out on this false eschatology, a generation has long passed.
Hopefully, Darby and Scofield will be remembered as the false teachers they were, who should have had experienced closed doors to their false teachings.
It is sister, the He in my monikor is Christ Jesus.
That's okay, I thought is was clever at the time, lol.
I would love that so much, X has such people and I find that helps me when it gets too much around here.
Not sure this can happen on this forum, we absolutely need to come together because the problems of this doctrine need to be continually made known.
It was actually someone on CC who helped me see the light, being observant of world politics I could see that this eschatology was not holding up, but he helped me see it from the Biblical perspective and that was very helpful, thankfully I was not that indoctrinated on dispensationalism.
I cannot add a word to what you have posted, you have captured it perfectly.
When I left this false teaching, I did a deep dive into the history, economics and politics as this is my educational training, and I
learned this is all by design, a counterfeit if you will.
It has destabilized the world, it is heartbreaking to know that Christians have aided and abetted this mass deception.
We had another thread where all the atrocities towards Palestinians were exposed and all we received were deny, deflect, denounce etc.,
That was when I realized how it damages oneself and the futility of the discussion, reading post on the constant defense of the supremacy of one group of people, who were justified in all their actions was making me spiritually and emotionally ill.
You can go as slow as molasses, it will not change anything.
For ten years this person has been presented with truth and has always denied outright.
My worry is that by giving these false teachings a "forum" others will be more convinced.
I would agree with @John1335 this is not a minor doctrinal issue but a complete rejection of much of what is taught in the NT.
Jesus is parable speaks of national Israels doom and rejection of national covenant privilege,
Matt 21:33-45
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a
winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Because national Israel finished the transgression by the crucifying of the Son of God
Matt 21:33-45
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a
winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Because national Israel finished the transgression by the crucifying of the Son of God
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Thank you Sis,
Its somewhat comforting to know that there are others here in this forum who see this doctrine of demons for what it truly is. Somewhat, because realizing just how many of those who name the name of Christ have been completely taken in by this overt manipulation, and I wouldn't even call it twisting, but mangling of the scriptures and the Gospel, its quite horrifying.
Even more so when one considers that this is not the minority view, but rather the firmly held belief of most modern evangelicals.
When you see how many people were taken in by a certain political figure, and still blindly support him despite overwhelming evidence that they have been played. When you look deeper into his connections, and then hear other high ranking officials declare outright that they will provide unwavering support to a particular tribe on the other side of the world because of a single verse of scripture written 3000 years ago, let's just say a rather unpleasant scenario, or host of potential scenarios begin to emerge.
I've spent the entirety of my adult life studying political history, and no small amount of scripture, though to my shame, I surely should have devoted more time to the scriptures. Nevertheless, my world view is informed by my understanding of Gods Holy Word, and I'm glad to have taken the time to have looked more deeply into topics which most merely take at face value. That being said, all available information points to the inevitable conclusion that, to put it crudely, we are in some deep doo doo. And its no laughing matter.
The equivalence between the rise of the third Reich and the modern political environment in America are beyond disturbing. On the surface it would appear that they are completely opposite, but a deeper dive suggests that its merely the next phase in a very well orchestrated charade. The outward optics may be in diametric opposition one to the other, but its the same players behind the scenes pushing the same agenda.
The roots of Dispensationalism are much deeper than the shallow theology of hollow men such as Darby and Scofield. The Jesuit connection is well established, which if the adherents of such ridiculous anti biblical, antichrist doctrines were able to actually think for themselves, should horrify them as much as it does us. But they are quite clearly blinded to such realities.
It is my firmly held position, not a belief, as I believe only in Christ and His Gospel, that Dispensationalism and its fantastical and overtly unscriptural futuristic assertions and projections, are now and have been used since their inception as a sort of playbook, whereby Satan himself has already enslaved much of the world, and if permitted to do so by Almighty God, will eventually, destroy it. His desire to be worshipped as God may only be eclipsed by his desire to destroy the remnant of Gods chosen people, genuine Jews if such a thing even actually exists today, and Christians alike, which are in fact, as Satan surely knows, though his followers are quite obviously clueless, the true Israel of God, the Holy seed of Christ in which the Spirit of God has chosen to dwell, the temple made without hands, Him in us and us in Him, just as the scriptures foretold, and was revealed to the Apostles.
Basically, Zionism and her siblings, Fascism, Communism, Nazism Et al, and their witting and unwitting adherents are Satanic to the core. And unfortunately, are quite entrenched in the religious, political and economic structures that control the world, having near total control over academia, what passes for science, technology, mass media, medicine, agriculture etc. As would be expected if one could look at the scriptures with a clear mind and pure heart, being informed and led by Gods Holy Spirit and Him alone, which is the Spirit of Christ Himself, the Holy One of Israel, the Chief Cornerstone, which the builders rejected.
Sorry for the long post. I have the marionettes and sycophants on ignore, they add nothing useful to the conversation. I will in all likelihood not be around this forum for much longer, but I do appreciate you and others such as yourself, my true brothers and sisters in Christ, who somehow manage to share the truth in love, despite the overwhelming satanic opposition. Thank you.
Father have mercy
Christ have mercy
Holy Spirit lift the veil.
It might help to not assume that everyone who calls themselves Christians follow Christ.
Agree 100%, not long at all, absolutely refreshing.
Yes, a lot under the surface.
There are people on Twitter/X who have also have left the "dispensational matrix" so to speak, I will share their accounts on your profile if you do decide to leave, there is a group you can join too, I have learned a lot from others there.
I hope you will be open to it, it really is helpful to find like minded people not as a silo/echo chamber but as you stated to build each up.
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Its a presumption that I am loathe to make for all the obvious reasons, but yes, you are correct.
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