Israel.

[HeIsHere]

lol I was reading a review of this book which has this:

"Another senior writer at Haaretz, Gideon Levy, commented that the words “most of the Jews are thieves”, “wasn’t uttered by an antisemitic leader, a Jew hater or a neo-Nazi, but by the founder of the State of Israel, two months after it was founded.”"

Link to comment
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...-thieves/0000017f-e504-df5f-a17f-ffdeaf5a0000

I so like Gideon Levy, he is a very reliable, honest, good go to source.

On the case of Ben G I will go with "pretended to be" since his own writings foreshadowed what happened.

 

[TabinRivCA]

“KEY point, Israel is fighting to survive and has given the enemy a chance to to live in peace but guess what? They don't want it.”

yet who are the ones starving and trapped like rats ? Palestinians are also fighting fornthier existsnce infact much more so than Israel . We have “recency amnesia “. You are talking aboit a conflict that began before the first millennia as if it began on Oct 7th

But ….. it didn’t . Before modern day israel became “a Jewish state “ it eas filled with from border to border Palestinians.

after ww2 the world had a Jewish problem other nations were beginning to take the approach Germany began to take in the beginning of the holocaust . People didont want in such a deoelressed financial time as tbat to have to take care of Jews tbat were scattered into all nations .

ado the warlords who were victorious in ww2 got together with the powers in the Middle East and decided mostly by the west , tbat the Jews needed to have thier own land sonthey could get out of thier lands and stop the financial burdens and social conflicts these foreigners were causing

at he current “Jewish state ofnisrael “ was created as a solution to the Jewish immigration problem that many nations were facing after ww2

were they in the wrong and terrorists when they lived peaceful lives in the land they were born in and raised in ? When the zionists came to slaughter and remove them using the excuse “ this is gods will “

they had been there hindreds of years since a time after rome ruled over israel and the Jewish dispersia….then they were attacked and slaughtered in order to push Jews into the land they had been living in for generations

things today aren’t where this began even ww2 isn’t where it began look way back to Muhammad and the Muslim crusades .

there have been atrocities on both sides for hundreds of years alternating back and forth ….as war always creates

• Hamas's fundamental stance: Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, has historically rejected Israel's right to exist and has opposed recognition of the state of Israel.
• Rejection of specific proposals:
  • Oslo Accords: In 1993, when Israel and the PLO agreed to mutual recognition and the creation of a Palestinian Authority, Hamas rejected the plan and launched a terror campaign to disrupt it.
  • Camp David: In 2000, Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, a predecessor to the Hamas leadership in Gaza, reportedly rejected a Camp David peace proposal that included a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.
  • Olmert Proposal: In 2008, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas also reportedly rejected Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's peace proposal.

 

[HeIsHere]

• Hamas's fundamental stance: Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, has historically rejected Israel's right to exist and has opposed recognition of the state of Israel.
• Rejection of specific proposals:
  • Oslo Accords: In 1993, when Israel and the PLO agreed to mutual recognition and the creation of a Palestinian Authority, Hamas rejected the plan and launched a terror campaign to disrupt it.
  • Camp David: In 2000, Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, a predecessor to the Hamas leadership in Gaza, reportedly rejected a Camp David peace proposal that included a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.
  • Olmert Proposal: In 2008, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas also reportedly rejected Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's peace proposal.

They did not reject the Oslo accords, that is a simplification along with all the rest over simplification.

 

[HeIsHere]

Hamas's fundamental stance: Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, has historically rejected Israel's right to exist and has opposed recognition of the state of Israel.

As well they have changed their charter so do better research.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the cycle, it is no longer endless.

Amen

 

[TabinRivCA]

Will Israel ever be free of those wanting to destroy it, whatever outcome could happen? Who can truthfully say yes? Israel, surrounded by nations for the most part who recognize other gods, will always be under attack by the enemy of God. Stating there are those who want to destroy Israel is an oversimplification, are dead wrong. They can say that bc they are not living in Israel. Let them rebuke Israel all they want, I'm with the side God is defending.

Taking stock. By more than 1,000 years, “Israel” predates “Palestine" which was originally Canaanland.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Will Israel ever be free of those wanting to destroy it, whatever outcome could happen? Who can truthfully say yes? Israel, surrounded by nations for the most part who recognize other gods, will always be under attack by the enemy of God. Stating there are those who want to destroy Israel is an oversimplification, are dead wrong. They can say that bc they are not living in Israel. Let them rebuke Israel all they want, I'm with the side God is defending.

Taking stock. By more than 1,000 years, “Israel” predates “Palestine" which was originally Canaanland.

well stated . Do you find any relevance in this ?

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

…..Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Doesn’t it seem like they are fighting over land that is doomed to be destroyed with the earth ?meat back when they broke thier covenant ?

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,

that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[TabinRivCA]

well stated . Do you find any relevance in this ?

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

…..Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Doesn’t it seem like they are fighting over land that is doomed to be destroyed with the earth ?meat back when they broke thier covenant ?

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,

that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yep, Bible prophecy, right on

 

[God-fearing]

O well on some good news (which i think we all can use in this chat) I saved alot of money on my car insurance by switching to geico.

 

[Shoshie]

Since some want to express there opinions on the middle east here is my take.

According to my findings there are approximately 317 millon Arab Muslims in the middle east.
World wide there are approximately 2 billion.
There are 7.2 million jews in the middle east. World wide approximately 15.7 million.

Now if you were a betting person who would you place your money on? Seriously.
Myself I would leave the sand box in a hurry.
Because of the Abraham accords some of the Arab countries recognize israel as the rightful inhabitants of the land. Wonder why?

The united states has always been a friend to Israel and that is known throughout the middle east.
The 2 state solution has been tried and failed. Palestinians given gaza and financial support from many sources to build up there now own land. How did they spend it? We'll we will elect a terrorist organization as our government let them invest in what right and important. This didn't just happen overnight. For years a infrastructure was being built to overtake and destroy there neighbors Israel.
What a great investment. We have the numbers to do it we will win.
Brings us up to Oct 7th. A well thought out attack that was rehearsed time and time again yrs previously. With daily bombings and conflicts studying the response of Israel's defence. All set to take out Israel except for one thing a huge conflict. There hopes of fellow Muslims to join the fight didn't happen. Hence the Abraham accords. Division in the Muslim community. Well have to save face some how let's call in other terrorist organizations. Hezbela, hoothis, how ever you spell it . Anyways now most of the Palestinians see that there agenda is crushed but hamas wants to be that powerful ruling power over the middle east including over there own.
You see now the rising of other terrorist organizations over throwing there own people as well as Christians and druzes and so on.
Part 2 of the war. Sociology 101 convince the western world Israel's friend that they are the blame and that israel is evil.
Takeout Israel back up and there middle east influence. Cause diversity in there land and let's start in Europe also.
Well here we are even the church is divided in its opinion on today's events so sad .

You are right on! With re: tovthe two state solution, first God stated in Joel, you have divided my land. That was to never be. Note, He say MY land, but He can bequeath it to whomever He chooses. If it's my house, I can say who lives there. Another reason a two state solution wouldn't work? In the Middle East concession is viewed as weakness. How do I know? Many experts, ib the field, a seminary professor who lived and taught in Israel for 10 years, and who by the way is not Jewish. A Rabbi in a reform synagogue. What occurs is Israel says, OK, for peace, will divy up land. Then, Israel is perceived as weak and gets attacked. Then, we Americans, who would concede on anything just to "keep the peace" criticize Israel for responding. I guess they should just let their kids heads get blown off, huh? Golden Meir was willing to go along with the UN backed Partition Plan but the Arabs didn't want it. She admitted, she didn't like it, but was willing to do it for peace. Little under thst system would have been for Jews. If I own the house and I offer you 2/3 of it, dont insult me by asking for all of it.
Just asking, have any of you ever had a Jewish friend or close acquaintance who was Jewish or has all the information come strictly from the news media. I ask because the media is interested in hype and what sells and is not always credible. Ya think?

 

[Shoshie]

I think this attitude is a form of self-righteousness in which people form an identity of being more godly for lavishing praise on Jews and denigrating those who do not validate their adoration. It's exactly like a progressive imagining themselves to be morally superior for supporting transgenderism (or any of their other innumerable social justice causes) and accusing those who don't agree with them of being hateful and evil. It's exactly the same spirit.

First, you dont know me or my heart! Ive just been an insider cos' God put me in an insider position. This is my calling. Seeing Jews find their Messiah thrills me when it happens and I know the Lord smiles. In like matter, Arabs are finding the Lord in large numbers and those who know the Lord on both sides are coexisting beautifully. It seems you are more interested in taking up the political cause than seeing with the Lord's heart and judging
what miracles are happening.

Im not sure Americans can say much about others of other cultures. We cant even clean our own back yards. We elect people who profane God's name, refer to themselves as the chosen one.And occasionally to stay up in the polls, throw God's name around. You know, Im the most conservative person you'd ever want to meet. But just because we perform piously in public, doesn't mean we really have the goods. Jesus would rather we be who we are than to be lukewarm. We, as Americans, have committed atrocities. Afterall, we kill our own. We profane God's name. We mock Jesus in our media. We talk and say all the right things but where are our hearts. It all comes back to the $
Whoever can give me the money has my allegiance. Ironically, Jesus expects, sometimes, the opposite. Sell all you have and Come follow Me. This isn't verbatim, but Bonhoeffer said, When Christ bids a man to follow him. He calls him to die, and in dieing we live, and the living is so wonderful.

 

[Aaron56]

I understand there are many views on eschatology, however, what I can NOT deal with, is when the history is not dealt with honestly

instead it is replaced with mythology (born in a day!) and propaganda and then attempting to justify the actions of the IDF/Government

by starting in the middle of the conflict!

Yes. This is the crux of the issue: slaughtering people and saying “Praise God! Look what He is doing!” While on the earth Jesus and His disciples killed no one. How do people praise God when 10’s of thousands are killed? Talk about a delusion...

 

[shittim]

Still we must stand by His Chosen people.

 

[Aaron56]

Guys, look, your positions make the other half angry at you, sure.
But, if you take my position, BOTH sides become angry with you. My position garners way more opposition. Y’all have to pump those numbers up.

Just say’n.

 

[shittim]

Anger is a choice those who are His do not have the problem of.
Galatians c5-v22&23 are our standards.
IDF must do what it needs to do to ensure the safety of Israel.
Blessings

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Is democracy a design of God or is theocracy ?

Neither. We don't live in heaven yet.

Hamas really are just gazans who’ve grown up in this terrible situation israel is terrible to them and they also are terrible to israel and they grow up also seeing the bad things done by the other side and they then blind themselves to thier own parts in it justifying it by claiming the moral high ground

Well again, Hamas are terrorists. Even though it is Israels homeland, they have given up land for peace with their neighbors. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME.

Or by propaganda minimizing things like Oct 7 , or the starvation happening now each side works to minimize and justify thier hideous actions by pointing to the hideous actions of the other side

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/un-delays-hamas-theft-black-165218226.html

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well here's the down low. Hamas didn't come out of nowhere. They have a past
First “ Hamas “ doesn’t identify the gazan people that’s a radical sect of then tbat took power over them

The Islamic group Hamas has won a huge majority in parliamentary elections, with Palestinian voters rejecting the long-time rule of the Fatah movement. Jan 2006.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2006/1/26/hamas-wins-huge-majority

and sure they do don’t come from nowhere about a hundred years ago they had a nation that Zionist came and slaughtered them from so they put the “problematic “ Jews that they didint want in tbier own countries there .

Not sure which "they" you are talking about here, but it's not Palestinians. No such country or people 100 yrs ago.

what hamas did was terrible ehat they do is terrible …….

There is a reason their own brothers won't help them or take them in.

what israel does to them also is terrible

What does Israel do to them that is terrible?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

I believe they will be gathering against Jesus and his resurrected/translated people standing in the holy land.

I believe this too and it's probably why John wondered with great admiration seeing Mystery Babylon because being called a harlot implies they once had a relationship with the Lord,unless there's another creator God,which we know there isn't.
The ones who claim that the people who "hate" modren "Israel" is proof that God is with the state of Israel.The nations hate Mystery Babylon as well so that's not a good claim of proof.
Unbelieving Israel killed their own prophets which revelation says that she is drunk with the blood of the saints.

Like I said before that the remnant Levites and the rest of the Israelites were a foreshadowing of things to come.The Levites ministered the Law to the rest of Israel and those who took it to heart became "grafted in" with the natural branches.
The ones who didn't are just like the Pharisees.

John 8:39-47
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Islamic group Hamas has won a huge majority in parliamentary elections, with Palestinian voters rejecting the long-time rule of the Fatah movement. Jan 2006.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2006/1/26/hamas-wins-huge-majority



Not sure which "they" you are talking about here, but it's not Palestinians. No such country or people 100 yrs ago.




There is a reason their own brothers won't help them or take them in.



What does Israel do to them that is terrible?

Yeah you would vote for Hamas too if you lived in Gaza when they took over …. It’s not like they are a democracy with law enforcement where everyone has a legitimate vote . They took the election by terrorism tactics and intimidation to begin with.

Your thinking about Gaza as if it’s 1950s usa where everyone’s held in check by laws and law keepers that aren’t holding people at gunpoint making it known what happens if you don’t vote for them …..that like saying Vladimir Putin holds legitimate elections lol …..

 

[God-fearing]

You are right on! With re: tovthe two state solution, first God stated in Joel, you have divided my land. That was to never be. Note, He say MY land, but He can bequeath it to whomever He chooses. If it's my house, I can say who lives there. Another reason a two state solution wouldn't work? In the Middle East concession is viewed as weakness. How do I know? Many experts, ib the field, a seminary professor who lived and taught in Israel for 10 years, and who by the way is not Jewish. A Rabbi in a reform synagogue. What occurs is Israel says, OK, for peace, will divy up land. Then, Israel is perceived as weak and gets attacked. Then, we Americans, who would concede on anything just to "keep the peace" criticize Israel for responding. I guess they should just let their kids heads get blown off, huh? Golden Meir was willing to go along with the UN backed Partition Plan but the Arabs didn't want it. She admitted, she didn't like it, but was willing to do it for peace. Little under thst system would have been for Jews. If I own the house and I offer you 2/3 of it, dont insult me by asking for all of it.
Just asking, have any of you ever had a Jewish friend or close acquaintance who was Jewish or has all the information come strictly from the news media. I ask because the media is interested in hype and what sells and is not always credible. Ya think?

My ministry is to help understanding the Jewish mind as well as the customs. And to help understand the appointed times.
I do have a Jewish friend who lived in Israel and studied in Israel. He's not a messiah believer ...yet. praying.
He is teaching me Hebrew and has given me several books of rabbi authors to read. And yes he has contacts and family in Israel.
I'm so blessed by God for instilling this passion in me but it is a very lonely fellowship. Many Christians are not open to the ideal and of course many jews still are skeptical.
I love the saints truly and am trying my best to be understanding on both sides, very frustrating sometimes.
I sincerely believe this is Lord lead and brings him gladness and glory. He has open my eyes to so much in his word and especially in the expressions of the Holy Spirt. By the expressions I mean the things hidden right in front of your eyes but seem meaning less until you start knowing the Jewish mind. The west truly don't understand how different the middle east is. How important the faiths are to them
And how dangerous it is to offend.
Are country here in the USA have been very blessed to the point of being nieve which is leading to a superficial relationship with God.
Which is a dangerous place to be.
Thanks for the inquiry
Blessing to you and yours.