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No of course not, but I do understand the motivation and strategic goal. At least I think I do
Is democracy a design of God or is theocracy ?
yes absolutely I’m saying that many people in Gaza knew and even a few attended the festival . It was part of tbier plan to take as many international hostages as possible . The communities attacked were Gaza friendly . Several gazans worked n the Israeli communities that were attacked
they told them everything they needed to know to get through thier secirity fences . They also found on some of the Hamas soldiers killed tbat day wrotten plans to attack the music festival they even knew the time it would begin . And the ones who glided in had maps of where the festival would be appx
I personally don’t think there’s any doibt it was a planned event that they executed like rats . I also think israel isn’t “ accidentally “ bonbing civillians and humanitarian camps like their side claims
Amy position is it’s an albatross and both sides perpetuate and commit atrocities against the other justifying thier newest attack , with the orior attack of the other “ evil “ side
Hamas really are just gazans who’ve grown up in this terrible situation israel is terrible to them and they also are terrible to israel and they grow up also seeing the bad things done by the other side and they then blind themselves to thier own parts in it justifying it by claiming the moral high ground
Or by propaganda minimizing things like Oct 7 , or the starvation happening now each side works to minimize and justify thier hideous actions by pointing to the hideous actions of the other side
Both sides have gripes both sides do a lot wrong to the other no ones the white knight and no one’s the black knight . They are a bunch of people caught in an albatross or life sucking vortex of death or whatever one wants to call it
bombs and missles and guns And cowardly plots and attacks and mass bombing campaigns theres aren’t gods ways of bringing his Will to pass it’s man trying to excercise their own power over the others
As much as you have for any of yours . I saw it on the same news saw all the footage and read the articles you found your ideas on
OK, well I wanted to evaluate the sources so I could amend my understanding if necessary, because I never saw what you mentioned.
Yeah don’t you know they were just innocently trying to test out thier hand gliders and accidentally commited murders and rapes and took hundreds of hostages innocently ?
and don’t you know israel is carefully avoiding civilian casualties and it’s just that the babies are running into Hamas building like ….. children’s hospitals and there’s really no starvation either …. They’re well fed ….
propaganda has been around since Eden
Many answers to many questions are needed to assess someone's position especially on a topic so given to emotional response. I refuse to make assumptions on this issue for the sake of discussion.
Several years ago, the man who watches over my soul prophesied that a time of heavy propaganda would dominate the news cycle. His encouragement was to not be involved with message but to seek the Lord in all things. Ironically, doing so tends to make BOTH sides mad at me. Thank God I have learned not to care what most people think about me.
You're missing the main ingredient there. Israel wants to live in peace but must be on the offense & defense or the enemies of God will wipe her off the map. This hatred/resentment against the Jews started way way back and will not subside til Armageddon and the final battle. Jehovah wins and false gods will lose. KEY point, Israel is fighting to survive and has given the enemy a chance to to live in peace but guess what? They don't want it.
Yeah it isn’t recent but was back when it happened . The same kind of reports now showing what Israel’s doing came out then about the attack
the soirce of course is intelligence from not only israel. It many nations even a few Arab ones . They actually have the writings of the plan and published it right after the attack . They found letters written on some of the dead Hamas guys who flew into the festival later the odd showed up and killed some of them
they found maps and instructions to take as many hostages of international origin because they would be more valuable than only Israelis that they would have gotten from the kibbutz communities they attacked
according to those reports about the attack then when it happened , also several articles. What I did was try to take on both sides point of view and then sift through and see what I thought ( again onky ny own opinion doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone else so I’m not. Whittling or disparaging your ideas just have some different thoughts because I really dig into the attack when it happened
again I wasn’t there to witness it or anything but the source would be basically the same kind of things that your thoughts came from just seeing videos reading intelligence reports from again not idf only but also from Gaza friendly sources
for the most part the Gaza friendly sources of course minimized what happened and the Israelite supporters maximized and even exagerwted some of it like people do also for the other side
the numbers from Gaza and numbers from israel are very far apart but each side is going to try to make the movers look better for them every aspect of it is like that two sides constantly try forming thier argument by minimizing thier culpability and maximizing thier enemies culpability . Justifying what they do as “we had to do it because of what they did “
Amy opinion is it’s a going since the Muslim Jewish wars hindreds and hindreds of years ago
at he land was Canaans the. Israel’s , then babylons then Persia’s then Greeces the Romes ect eventuwlly Muslims came and sacked it and ruled over them then on and on these are coming from world history of course
And so my point is it’s like a chain alternating with atrocities commited against each other they attack , the. The other side retaliates and takes it too far or does something atrocious in thier resoonse then later it just repeats with both sides at some point being the one to blame but also it’s just the situation caused by the end of the war council afte ww2
Amen sounds like a wise man . And yes brother isn’t that just the most freeing thing ever ? To only care about Jesus opinion of you ?Several years ago, the man who watches over my soul prophesied that a time of heavy propaganda would dominate the news cycle. His encouragement was to not be involved with message but to seek the Lord in all things. Ironically, doing so tends to make BOTH sides mad at me. Thank God I have learned not to care what most people think about me.
The thing is the festival was right next door to a kibbutz, so until I can see a map showing the festival location specifically was on the map, and know that's not propaganda, I have my doubts that Hamas knew about the festival until they stumbled upon it while flying to the kibbutz.
Fighting to survive when they are the ones with the nuclear weapons (its called deterrence) and a great deal of your tax dollars being sent over seas.
Everyone wants to live in peace, but peace will never come when someone's trying to steal someone elses' land. When they do attain what they covet, then sudden destruction will come upon them
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction will come upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
Yeah that’s understandable . it sort of works the same way no one’s ever going to see the actual evidence of either side some of it coming from both sides is propaganda
sort of why I always stress that I only have and can express my own opinion based on what I think I’ve learned. I never actually saw Jesus rose from the dead but im sure of it ….I know that part for sure
Well here's the down low. Hamas didn't come out of nowhere. They have a past. They are designated terrorists as far as America is concerned, Israel isn't, they are America's ally. They are the only democracy in the ME, Hamas is not. Hamas has been proven to have used hospitals and schools to hide in. They have been proven to move bodies to look like Israel hit children on purpose. And they were just proven liars when they posted a picture of a child who actually has a disease, and pretended they were starving. It shouldn't be difficult to come down on the right side.
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