I was thinking the same, using AI daily for work, figured no point responding, might as well go respond to Gemini or Chat GPT. lol
Genealogy is not even provable.
Israel.
- Thread starter Gideon300
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
- Status
I was thinking the same, using AI daily for work, figured no point responding, might as well go respond to Gemini or Chat GPT. lol
Genealogy is not even provable.
This is the verse she's referring to:
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed (τω σπέρματί σου) have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18
And this verse proves it doesn"t say what she's claiming it says:And the promises were declared to Abraham and to his seed. And he is not saying, 'and to seeds' (τοις σπέρμασιν), as upon many, but as upon one, 'and to your seed' (τω σπέρματί σου), who is Christ. Galatians 3:16
Sadly reason does not win when the connection and that lens is so firmly implanted in the brain.
It takes an act of God ... I sincerely doubt that an "aha" moment, or an unbiased reexamination is possible with that level of a stronghold.
Your biblical argument is excellent and cannot be refuted, this is why I draw this logical conclusion.
D
Daisy2
Guest
Yes but we are talking about Israel and God commanded them to keep their genealogy
Agreed but define "Jews".
This is at the core of the issue.
So please define a Jew at the time of the giving of the Abrahamic covenant.
What's the difference...one either accepts the Lord or not. God is still defending and protecting the Jews in Israel and will continue to do so even against all odds. Since He's happy with them so am I.
doctrine.org
https://doctrine.org › covenants-of-israel
While Abraham is the father of both Jews and Arabs, the heirs of the covenant are Jews. God stated this in Genesis 17.20-21:
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”
Under the old covenant it was important; under the new covenant it has no meaning
D
Daisy2
Guest
yes but that doesn't mean the jews just stopped keeping genealogy we arnt talking about inheritance for nothing they were made to memorize passages from the old testament as children. by the age of 17 they would have know who they were and what family line they came from and Moses laws and proverbs as that's what they study when they are young even today.
The US didn't produce the hefty wind that blew the dirt off the land mines so the Jewish army could escape their attackers. Or are you going to argue they did?
I'm not talking about imagined, or not, miracles back then. I'm talking about right now. Israel would cease to exist without US protection. Israel was one to two weeks away from running out of air defense missiles during the latest Iranian attack and Iran reportedly has the ability to do what they were doing for a year or more. So no, it's not God protecting Israel.
D
Daisy2
Guest
ChristRoseFromTheDead,
let not forget who made this all possible God. There would never be a Israel state without him creating it and letting it be reestablished. It would not have been possible unless God sent Lawrence of Arabia to the Palestine/Israel. to overcome the ottomans empires 200 year hold on it. what's infesting about Lawrence is he felt he had a mission (devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare" — expresses a all-consuming commitment to the idea of freedom of the state of Israel/ Palestine ) Its also interesting some of the beliefs he held.
Lawrence also acknowledged the Jewish biblical and historical connection to Israel and described Zionism as a "conscious effort"—a return of the Jewish people to the Orient from which they originally came.
“Arabia for the Arabs, Judea for the Jews and Armenia for the Armenians.” He did not support any Arab claim to Palestine at the expense of a Jewish state, which he envisioned from the Mediterranean shore to the Jordan River.
He saw the ideal future as a kind of two-state solution: an Arab state east of the Jordan River and a Jewish state covering Judea and Samaria to the west. This idea loosely prefigured the later establishment of Jordan and Israel.
Ottoman Empire lost control over the Middle East, including Palestine, which back then included places called Judea and Samaria. In 1918, the British came in and took charge of the area. The British were supposed to help create a "national home for the Jewish people" while also promising independence to Arab groups for Palestine while also trying to keep their influence in the area and fighting Frances influence as well in the area too. well we all know what happened the Muslims egged Hitler on and his hatred for the jews as they didn't want Gods plan fulfilled so the devil they tried to kill them all. But after ww2 the grief of what happened to the jews during the holocaust had the sympathy of world setting them back into their land
. They were born there even if you think they don't deserve the land where are they to go? its their home even if you think its not their inhertience as most christians believe. if you told an american or an canadan to leave their home they had been born.
let not forget who made this all possible God. There would never be a Israel state without him creating it and letting it be reestablished. It would not have been possible unless God sent Lawrence of Arabia to the Palestine/Israel. to overcome the ottomans empires 200 year hold on it. what's infesting about Lawrence is he felt he had a mission (devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare" — expresses a all-consuming commitment to the idea of freedom of the state of Israel/ Palestine ) Its also interesting some of the beliefs he held.
Lawrence also acknowledged the Jewish biblical and historical connection to Israel and described Zionism as a "conscious effort"—a return of the Jewish people to the Orient from which they originally came.
“Arabia for the Arabs, Judea for the Jews and Armenia for the Armenians.” He did not support any Arab claim to Palestine at the expense of a Jewish state, which he envisioned from the Mediterranean shore to the Jordan River.
He saw the ideal future as a kind of two-state solution: an Arab state east of the Jordan River and a Jewish state covering Judea and Samaria to the west. This idea loosely prefigured the later establishment of Jordan and Israel.
Ottoman Empire lost control over the Middle East, including Palestine, which back then included places called Judea and Samaria. In 1918, the British came in and took charge of the area. The British were supposed to help create a "national home for the Jewish people" while also promising independence to Arab groups for Palestine while also trying to keep their influence in the area and fighting Frances influence as well in the area too. well we all know what happened the Muslims egged Hitler on and his hatred for the jews as they didn't want Gods plan fulfilled so the devil they tried to kill them all. But after ww2 the grief of what happened to the jews during the holocaust had the sympathy of world setting them back into their land
. They were born there even if you think they don't deserve the land where are they to go? its their home even if you think its not their inhertience as most christians believe. if you told an american or an canadan to leave their home they had been born.
You're believing an urban legend. It's much, much more complex than you imagine.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be there, but that they should be good neighbors and not treat Palestinians like 2nd-class citizens and steal their land. Basic civilized behavior.
D
Daisy2
Guest
the problem is that there ideology teaches that Israel will leave the middle east so they've never been genuine neighbors to the Israelites before the security measures were heightened their were terrorist going into Jerusalem.
D
Daisy2
Guest
It not like its a new thing with the Muslims they have killed more Christians probably allot more then any Palestinians that have died. Not to say what they are suffering is not horrible. they are simply receiving the harvest on which they sowed persecution and suffering, the difference is that and we are the salt of the earth and our suffering is good somehow for the church and Gods work.
So you cannot even define the very subject of your conviction???
And no, Jesus is not defending the modern secular nation of Israel anymore then any other nation.
Nor is Jesus "happy with them", the modern claimants of Judaism do not proclaim Him as Lord. Remember that when you make such statements about the will of God.
Since you do not have the backbone to define a Biblical Jew, I will.
A Biblical Jew is a person of the direct lineage of Jacob or a proselyte to Judaism before the destruction of the Temple such as Nicholas of Antioch.
What are you talking about, are you simply making this up?
Those who call themselves Jews today do not know their genealogy nor do they even claim to know it.
Memorizing passages from the Old Testament does not make someone a Biblical Jew regardless of the age.
They also do not obey or even follow the Law of Moses...no one can. To obey the Law of Moses entails the need for a active priesthood.
There is no priesthood in the secular modern nation of Israel.
Why, because they do not know their genealogy.
Hey did ya hear the news today? The U.N. having a very hard time delivering food to Gaza because hamas wants to be in charge of it
And keeps interrupting the distribution just like those nasty jews said.
- Status