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At the end of the day that's Gods real-estate.

All of the earth is God's real estate. Is it ever just to steal something from someone else in the name of God? No it's not; it's evil.

Nothing made of the flesh shall prosper ....yet it has. Against all odds. That my friend you can't deny.

Take off the rose-colored glasses and study the history of the area. Britain had been working on that colonial project for decades. Nothing miraculous about it. Worldly business and geo-politics as usual

Do you really think Israel would prosper if this was against God?

God permits lots of things that are not his will
 
Your own words condemn you. It's not ad hominem when its the truth.

I think you need help with what "ad hom" means as well, even though your accusation is completely fallacious it is your projection,

Yes, an argument can still be considered an ad hominem, even if the character attack against the person is true.
The core issue with an ad hominem fallacy is not whether the attack is true, but whether the attack is relevant to the argument being made.
If the attack is irrelevant, it's an ad hominem, regardless of its truth
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Yes not centuries, millennia is more accurate.

The only reason they know where so many ancient locations mentioned in the bible are located is because the location names were preserved in Arabic (and to a lesser extent a few other languages). The Hebrew name and location in Jerusalem of Azal (Zechariah 14:5) was preserved for at least the past 1600 years (but more than likely the past 1900 years) in the Arabic name Wady Yasul. Based on this connection made by linguist Charles Clermont-Ganneau in the late 1800s, the Israel Government Names Committee named Wady Yasul, Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) in 1955 (maybe 1954), and the mount on its southern slope, Mount Azal in 1992.
 
My understanding is that you cannot force any one to be a Muslim (I have a lot of Muslim colleagues and we discuss a lot), - "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256 - (I’m not talking about terrorist groups opinions - including the IDF / Zionist Israel who say they have a right to kill ALL including women and children), Im looking at source.

It would be helpful if you could provide a few passages 'commanding them to kill' from the Quran to back up what you say (I presume your information will be based on you having studied the context of the passages!)
Well your understanding is wrong, because if your father is a Muslim that automatically makes you one and infidels (those who depart the faith) are at risk of being murdered because that is what their book tells them to do with infidels. People do not want to be butchered so they go along or they risk their lives. Part of the issue with Obama was his dad was a Muslim, but of course he wanted to fool the American public into thinking he was a Christian, and yet he mocked the Bible and sang the praises of the Koran, so that was rather telling. Perhaps he was practising the art of lying to hide his true intentions, which is sanctioned in the Koran. That is called al-taqiya.

Have we not discussed this in other threads here? The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Speaking of hell, the only assurance of salvation in the Islam is through jihad = murdering others while committing suicide for the cause of the spread of Islam. You are allowed to pick a few others to go to paradise with you and young men are lured with the promise of being able to eternally ravish perpetual virgins.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran. You can find some of them here. (<= link)
 
The only reason they know where so many ancient locations mentioned in the bible are located is because the location names were preserved in Arabic (and to a lesser extent a few other languages). The Hebrew name and location in Jerusalem of Azal (Zechariah 14:5) was preserved for at least the past 1600 years in the Arabic name Wady Yasul. Based on this connection made by linguist Charles Clermont-Ganneau in the late 1800s, the Israel Government Names Committee named Wady Yasul, Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) in 1955 (maybe 1954).

Very interesting, I will have will have to look more deeply into this.

I have only taken the deep dive with the beginning of the Zionist movement, the exploitation of the middle east for oil, and the whole Scofield/Darby debacle.
 
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You do realize that Scofield and Darby only promote the Pre-Trib viewpoint. That is not even 1% of what Matthew 24, Luke 16, Mark 13, Thessalonians, Revelation, Daniel, Others are all about.

Who cares about [((LESS THAN))] 1%

The other 99.5% information is God Inspired.

They promoted that the OT was not fulfilled in Christ.
 
As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.[1][2][3] It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.[4][5] This limited status is largely due to the fact that the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council with veto power, has consistently used its veto or threatened to do so to block Palestine's full UN membership.[6][7]
An historian you are not. Do you think it is good to promote falsehoods.

If the worlds leading superpower doesn't recognize you, it doesn't matter who does. But we weren't talking modern history and you knew that. They are still Arabs. And no falsehoods were promoted, they have never been a country or a state. That is a fact of history.


It is not good to dehumanize people and defend "might makes right" power and money.

Tell Hamas...


They were DENIED statehood by the UK/France when they area was carved up,,

The Arabs were offered land at the same time Israel was. They refused it.


but keep screaming falsehoods and dehumanizing people, makes you look really good on a Christian Chat site

I could care less how I look to a handful of Holocaust deniers.

Seems you are really, really triggered

Oh I know, you really, really hope so. Don't flatter yourself. :rolleyes:
 
They promoted that the OT was not fulfilled in Christ.
Daniel 12 specifically states the final days and offers 2 amounts of days that add up to 7 years. It matches what Jesus said which is recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke, Revelation + matches what Paul wrote in Thessalonians.

Plus several Prophets spoke about the Millennium lion eats grass with the lamb and children can handle poisonous snakes and several other examples.

Jesus will fulfill it all but not all was fulfilled in His first time here.

Could that be what Scofield is talking about?
 
If the worlds leading superpower doesn't recognize you, it doesn't matter who does. But we weren't talking modern history and you knew that. They are still Arabs. And no falsehoods were promoted, they have never been a country or a state. That is a fact of history.



Tell Hamas...




The Arabs were offered land at the same time Israel was. They refused it.




I could care less how I look to a handful of Holocaust deniers.



Oh I know, you really, really hope so. Don't flatter yourself. :rolleyes:


See when you lie again about "holocaust deniers" and simplify everything to they refused and do not give any objective analysis as to the background and details, that means I am done.

I took you off of ignore, big mistake.
 
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That seems such an odd answer coming from you.

People who think Hamas just wants that piece of the pie better think again. Islam seeks world domination.
Interesting to watch so much of the world fall into the deception of believing Islam is a religion of peace.


"Our conflict is not an Israeli-Arab conflict. Our struggle is not for a Palestinian state. We are seeking the world.
We are seeking the whole world. We are seeking a confrontation against all Crusaders, against all Christians,
against all infidels until they adopt the Islamic religion, until they follow the Sharia of Allah. We are not interested
in Palestine. We are not interested in Tel Aviv or in Ashkelon. What is important for us is to see Islam ruling the
world. This is the religion of God and we are fighting to see Islam rule the world."


Abu al-Ayna al-Ansari, a leader of a Salafi group in the Gaza Strip that is allied with Islamic State ideology

“As Muslims, we don’t believe in states, borders, and embassies, and most certainly not in Israel’s right to exist. We have
to focus on imposing the rule of Islam wherever we are, to signal to the infidels that their support of the enemy is useless."


Abu al-Ayna al-Ansari

Period, end of the sentence. Nothing more to be said. Thanks for sharing that information.
 
My understanding is that you cannot force any one to be a Muslim (I have a lot of Muslim colleagues and we discuss a lot), - "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256 - (I’m not talking about terrorist groups opinions - including the IDF / Zionist Israel who say they have a right to kill ALL including women and children), Im looking at source.

It would be helpful if you could provide a few passages 'commanding them to kill' from the Quran to back up what you say (I presume your information will be based on you having studied the context of the passages!)

Just like all the Jews do not comply with what is written in the Talmud, it is the same for the Muslims.
People just want everything to be black and white, this group evil, this group good.

A lot of modern day middle east wars/turmoil can be traced back to fall of the Ottoman Empire and the UK/France/USA meddling in the middle east for resources and oil.
 
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