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I agree, but not that the covenant is still in effect. There's a believing remnant among every people. There's no reason for God to prohibit believing Jews from participating in the blessings he promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He's not like that.

The Covenant culminated in Christ Jesus, there is an attempt to shift focus to the land, which in turn disparages the work of Christ Jesus.

And agree God is not going to blind people for generations and generations.
 
Jeremiah 33:24-26
“Have you not noticed what these people are saying: ‘The LORD has rejected the two families He had chosen’? So they despise My people and no longer regard them as a nation. / This is what the LORD says: If I have not established My covenant with the day and the night and the fixed order of heaven and earth, / then I would also reject the descendants of Jacob and of My servant David, so as not to take from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will restore them from captivity and will have compassion on them.”

This happened after the Babylonian captivity, which Jeremiah prohesied before .
 
So tell us how do you think God's regathering should of taken place if this is the work of man forcing the issue.
And why would God allow it? This is a huge event and if it wasn't Gods appointed time I don't think it would of been successful.
I think in scripture it's quite clear God uses men of his choosing to accomplish what has come to pass. Be they saved or un saved, righteous or evil. Who can know the mind of God? Are his ways higher than ours?
Would continuous prophecy be fulfilled in such a short period of time such as natural disasters, climate change, lawlessness, anti semitisim, anti Christian, paganism, wars, ect. That all needs to be discounted to.
Are we living in the best of times?
Israel is fighting a war against evil. A evil that has threatened the whole world and has not stopped.
Throughout the old testament this same Israel fought physically against evils that God commanded them to do so.
What makes you think this is any different. What's your take on Islam.
I believe that all of this is in preparation of the Lords return.

yeah you have the freedom to believe as you do I have no issue with it .

“So tell us how do you think God's regathering should have taken place if this is the work of man forcing the issue. “

i believe it’s going to happen like he said in the Bible through Christ and the gospel after he returns from heaven to restore everything.

before that happens though there was going to be a powerful delusion allowed by God to convince those who reject the gospel which tells us he’s going to restore his people in a new permanent world …..of a false narrative
 
Psalm 89:31-37
if they violate My statutes and fail to keep My commandments, / I will attend to their transgression with the rod, and to their iniquity with stripes. / But I will not withdraw My loving devotion from him, nor ever betray My faithfulness.

And God was faithful to that promise until it was fulfilled in Christ, the seed of David, whom God promised would rule forever.
 
I don't believe anyone here has said the Jews don't need to be saved. If someone has, show me which post that is.

But that's it, that's the plan-- salvation. That was Paul's point and the one I was making. What statement is anyone trying to make by saying " God is not done with Israel" ?

Israel is where it all began and ends geographically. It's where Jesus will sit on the throne of David as promised and rule.

God has made it clear that only the blood bought are inheriting this Earth whether jew or gentile, and yes they are equal co heirs..so ?

Everyone from Adam to the newest babe born today is in need of Jesus Christ in order to share in any part of glory or the thousand year rule of Christ upon the Earth whether jew or gentile.

It's all about a new creation now, not a birth certificate or land deed correct??

Can I get a witness that this thing is ALL about Jesus now?
 
Firstly, the last part of that verse is not a good translation. It means God will not abandon the inheritance he has given them.

Secondly, only those of faith inherit the promises.
Right what’s important to that single verse is who are the hiers ?

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That part is a struggle for some understanding it’s not the children of the flesh of Abraham that are the hiers but those of the faith of Abraham they are the promised seed of inheritance only in Christ who is aBrahmans seed of promise and sole hier of God his only begotten is the hier and then everyone in him becomes one with him and so becomes an hier of Abraham through faith not through dna or flesh and blood lineage but of faith


If people simply read the opt covenant law and prophets tbis woiodnt even be a discussion

Stuff like this would do a world of good to read

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 6-7, 11-12, 15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He was going to do a whole new thing because of that

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what people miss is the new Jerusalem isnt on this earth it’s in heaven and will come to a new earth after the judgement

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is when his plan for n isaiah 66 will come to pass and be completely fulfilled when God will walk among us death will be finished forever no crying or pain or tears in the new earth forever ……but this world isn’t where that’s going to happen this world has this other fate

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it shouldn’t be forgotten tbat Peter eas formerly a Jew and he isn’t telling then when Jerusalem is restored on earth then Jesus will come nooooo he’s saying Jesus will come and destroy the earth with fire and then after that we’ll receive a new earth and heaven and be restored not before Jesus comes but after this world ends in fire after this happens

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭

then this will happen

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the new things he promised that’s how he’ll restore creation
 
If God is for Israel why is he debasing his name by making them dependant on the US? They would cease to exist without US support.
Umm maybe cause that is how he is exercising his will to support them. Isreal had help from other nations in the old testament. And second they have between 90 and 400 nukes. That we didnt give them. The merkava tank is there own design iwi witch makes the galil thier main battle riffle is thier own design. I really think they would do OK by themselves if they had to.
 
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2Cor.5:14-17 is *KEY*

14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.



When Jesus died, ALL DIED too...meaning ethnic/flesh/tribal/old covenant Israel DIED when He did.

Today, one is either IN CHRIST and IN COVENANT with God, or outside in outer darkness.

The time of the "Covenant Jews" came to an end.
 
Umm maybe cause that is how he is exercising his will to support them. Isreal had help from other nations in the old testament. And second they have between 90 and 400 nukes. That we didnt give them. The merkava tank is there own design iwi witch makes the galil thier main battle riffle is thier own design. I really think they would do OK by themselves if they had to.

God forbade foreign alliances and rebuked kings for forming them. Why would that change?

Israel doesn't have defensive or strategic depth. If Iran had good air defense they could utterly obliterate Israel with it's missiles.
 
Umm maybe cause that is how he is exercising his will to support them. Isreal had help from other nations in the old testament. And second they have between 90 and 400 nukes. That we didnt give them. The merkava tank is there own design iwi witch makes the galil thier main battle riffle is thier own design. I really think they would do OK by themselves if they had to.
That could be true but thinking about the nations that went to war with Israel after the 1948 Declaration, God did intervene. He even used Pres Nixon to help aid Israel (maybe that's why he got targeted). You may be right, they are becoming better and better in ways to defend themselves from their haters.
 
God forbade foreign alliances and rebuked kings for forming them. Why would that change?

Israel doesn't have defensive or strategic depth. If Iran had good air defense they could utterly obliterate Israel with it's missiles.

Well why dont Iran start making some good air defence? They are buddy buddy with Russia trade some oil for top of the line air defence then. Completely obliterate isreal that's a laugh before it even got to that point isreal could launch 50 missiles and the Persian empire would glow in the dark for the next 10k years. With as many as 400 nukes isreal will never be over ran again. Until the 7 year period. And even then it will still be called isreal.
 
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God forbade foreign alliances and rebuked kings for forming them. Why would that change?

Israel doesn't have defensive or strategic depth. If Iran had good air defense they could utterly obliterate Israel with it's missiles.
OBVIOUSLY you don't know about the 'Raid on Entebbe,
The Raid on Entebbe, also known as Operation Thunderbolt, was a 1976 Israeli counter-terrorist operation to rescue 103 hostages held at Entebbe Airport in Uganda. A French Air France flight from Tel Aviv to Paris was hijacked by Palestinian and German terrorists who diverted it to Entebbe. The terrorists demanded the release of 53 prisoners held in Israel and other countries. After negotiations failed, Israeli commandos stormed the airport terminal, killing the hijackers and rescuing the hostages.

Key Events:
 
It called complete and total war. That is how isreal is fighting this conflict. The same way we did in ww2. Complete obliteration of the enemies will and desire to fight along with the civilians who support them. We fire bombed Tokyo and killed 70k women and childern. We nuked 2 cities full of women and childern. We fire bombed Dresden. We had 1000 heavy bombers a day turning population centers into rubble. We had total blockades to the German and Japanese mainland. Complete and total war is the only way for unconditional surrender. Thats how isreal is treating this
 
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