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andy700700 said:
i understand now
Israel didn't permanently stay in the earthly Canaan, but biblical interpretation explains this by distinguishing between the physical land and the spiritual fulfillment of "everlasting possession" in Olam (Hebrew for age/eternity), pointing towards a greater, heavenly inheritance and God's enduring presence with His people, fulfilled in Jesus and the New Creation, not just a temporary patch of ground. The earthly land was a foreshadowing, a promise with conditions (obedience), while the ultimate "everlasting" promise points to an eternal reality where God dwells with His people forever, as seen in the New Testament.
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I share this understanding with you.
Jerusalem that is above is a reality.
The difference between spiritual and earthly Jerusalem is explained:

Galatians 4:22 "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise."

The whole world is now under the kingship of Jesus (Luke 16:16), but does not know His voice.
Jesus is a servant king and the carnal mind only respects bullies.
The holy land is now the whole world, and the condition of faithfulness applies just as much as it did in Deuteronomy 28.
We have not been bound to the law though, so our burden is light.
 
My comment which none will believe! until too late

The tribe of Dan, Ireland, is removed because they will join with the Beast Power and the Catholic Church.

What is coming is the 7th Resurrection of the "holy Roman empire", Germany, the Father land will join with Rome, The mother Church.

I know - Germany??? yes, we have had two wars with Germany and we will have a final third World War, 3 is God's number of finality. and the Fourth Seal is world war three and America will lose.

America will be destroyed in one hour of one day by EMP's delivered by hyper-sonic missiles just off our shores.

Matthew 24: 36 - 39
In one month's time, 30 days America will be no more.

Hosea 5: 7

7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.

How close are we?? Right now Europe is in sharp decline, their economies are in bad condition which is necessary for the Beast to come to power. and they are shutting down all freedoms.

And right now the Roman Catholic church is on the move, is this pope the "false prophet" that rides the Beast, we should know soon.

Yes I know this sounds crazy, nutz-- just keep this in the back of your mind -- and watch as Jesus Christ warned us we must do -- it is certain.

By the way Germany is Assyria

Isaiah 10
5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
 
andy700700 said:
it does not promise them the land in the time line for the future forever it just promises them they would inherit the land but it doesn't say forever
Joshua 1
New International Version
1 After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, the Lord said to Joshua son of Nun, Moses’ aide: 2 “Moses my servant is dead. Now then, you and all these people, get ready to cross the Jordan River into the land I am about to give to them—to the Israelites. 3 I will give you every place where you set your foot, as I promised Moses. 4 Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates—all the Hittite country—to the Mediterranean Sea in the west. 5 No one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. 6 Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their ancestors to give them.
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This is true. That doesn't come later until the prophets.
 
memberofthebride said:
The tribe of Dan, Ireland, is removed because they will join with the Beast Power and the Catholic Church.
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Did someone tell you this, or did you come up with it on your own? It certainly doesn't come from the bible.

memberofthebride said:
In one month's time, 30 days America will be no more.
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If you are still posting here in one month's time you will have to answer for this
 
Beekeeper said:
The whole chapter fits perfectly with the Babylonian captivity and the second temple restoration.
The time that Amos brings the message suggests that too.
Is V. 15 enough reason on it's own to seek for a future fulfillment?
The answer lies in who God is actually speaking about.
He is not simply speaking about all the Jews, because remember what He has just said in Amos 9:10
"All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us."
So who is "them" and "they" in v. 15?
They are referred to in v.14 as "the captivity of my people".
We know from history that this does not mean all of the captives either, although more are to be saved in a yet future event (Acts 2).
This is a promise of God to a select group of people from a particular generation.
It was fulfilled in the second temple restoration.
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Very true but then again the second temple was destroyed. As a result displacement of israel took place again. Even on a further scattering was ww2 in which prophecy was fulfilled as the jews were scattered throughout the ends of the earth.
The land conquered by several kingdoms the last being the otterman empire overthrown by British.
Inhabitants of Muslim Arabs and very few jews and nomads. Later Israel named Palestine. It remained desolate according to the observation of mark Twain and others.
Only untill 1948 when it was declared Israel once more did Israel start to prosper. Defeating enemies beyond there numbers.
Russia wanted Israel to join communism collusion but Israel refused. Forced to join democracy of America for national security.
Israel always wanted to be a sovereign Jewish state and still does.
You cannot ignore the fulfillment of the prophecies that bring us up to this point in time my friend.
A nation born in one day not to be uprooted again until all is fulfilled.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Thank you, I know what it says. But the fact remains that the Jews have never had all the land they were promised where they were not uprooted. Either it's a bad interpretation or we are missing something. Look at the map and you will see.
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Please point to the area of the map where the King of the Jews does not have all authority.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Didn't say that.
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Right.

So, point to a place where the King of the Jews, who represents the whole nation of Jews, does not have all authority.

If you can't find it then all the earth is His. And, because He is a many-membered Christ made up of all who He has received, then all who are in Him (including Abraham's descendants) are (you've heard this before) "co-heirs with Him". e.g. The land belongs to them, too.
 
God-fearing said:
Very true but then again the second temple was destroyed. As a result displacement of israel took place again. Even on a further scattering was ww2 in which prophecy was fulfilled as the jews were scattered throughout the ends of the earth.
The land conquered by several kingdoms the last being the otterman empire overthrown by British.
Inhabitants of Muslim Arabs and very few jews and nomads. Later Israel named Palestine. It remained desolate according to the observation of mark Twain and others.
Only untill 1948 when it was declared Israel once more did Israel start to prosper. Defeating enemies beyond there numbers.
Russia wanted Israel to join communism collusion but Israel refused. Forced to join democracy of America for national security.
Israel always wanted to be a sovereign Jewish state and still does.
You cannot ignore the fulfillment of the prophecies that bring us up to this point in time my friend.
A nation born in one day not to be uprooted again until all is fulfilled.
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There was no promise in Amos 9:15 that future generations of Israelite's will not be rooted out.
The promise is to a group of people from a single generation.
You have also brought into a falsification of history regarding Palestine.
The name Palestine was given by the Romans shortly after the Crusaders left, and was named that way on every map.
The people were called Palestinians throughout the entire time.
I do not know what the population was prior to 1948, but it was by no means small.
My father and grandparents lived there and remember it as a crowded busy place.
It is very uncharacteristic of Palestinians to have a small population.
They have always been very good at having children.
There is very little contemporary mainstream "history" of that land that we are fed that is actually true,
because the truth would be incriminating to the victors.
I do not accept that modern and Biblical Israel are one and the same because the children of Abraham were defined by their faith, and living in the holy land was conditional.
God brought the Babylonian captivity on the people when they defied Him.
Regarding the prophesies about modern Israel, most of them are misdirected like the one you just showed us.
I struggle to stay patient with the gullibility and lack of discernment of so many Christians, and see that it is leading us to great shame.
 
Beekeeper said:
There was no promise in Amos 9:15 that future generations of Israelite's will not be rooted out.
The promise is to a group of people from a single generation.
You have also brought into a falsification of history regarding Palestine.
The name Palestine was given by the Romans shortly after the Crusaders left, and was named that way on every map.
The people were called Palestinians throughout the entire time.
I do not know what the population was prior to 1948, but it was by no means small.
My father and grandparents lived there and remember it as a crowded busy place.
It is very uncharacteristic of Palestinians to have a small population.
They have always been very good at having children.
There is very little contemporary mainstream "history" of that land that we are fed that is actually true,
because the truth would be incriminating to the victors.
I do not accept that modern and Biblical Israel are one and the same because the children of Abraham were defined by their faith, and living in the holy land was conditional.
God brought the Babylonian captivity on the people when they defied Him.
Regarding the prophesies about modern Israel, most of them are misdirected like the one you just showed us.
I struggle to stay patient with the gullibility and lack of discernment of so many Christians, and see that it is leading us to great shame.
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I am well aware of the name Palestine and its history, just wanted to summarize.
If your not convinced of this modern-day Israel well I suspect you can wait for another. It only took a few thousand yrs but who's to say another won't emerge.
God uses the foolish to confound the wise so let's see how it plays out.
You and others can disregard all the prophecy fulfillment that has been accomplished over the years and believe the report of those who sit in the anti semitisim seat.
 
God-fearing said:
I am well aware of the name Palestine and its history, just wanted to summarize.
If your not convinced of this modern-day Israel well I suspect you can wait for another. It only took a few thousand yrs but who's to say another won't emerge.
God uses the foolish to confound the wise so let's see how it plays out.
You and others can disregard all the prophecy fulfillment that has been accomplished over the years and believe the report of those who sit in the anti semitisim seat.
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No disrespect intended to you.
The prophesy that you showed us in Amos 9:15 is about the second temple restoration, as I have shown from the Bible.
I know that there is a list of other prophesies that some attribute to modern Israel, and if you are willing to bring them to me one at a time I will study them with you.
There are other commenters that call us "antisemitic" and worse names, when we don't share their views on modern Israel and I thought you were better than that.
I am still grateful to you for bringing the matter to the verses of the Bible.
We are in very muddy waters when we try to resolve these things outside of scripture.
 
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Beekeeper said:
No disrespect intended to you.
The prophesy that you showed us in Amos 9:15 is about the second temple restoration, as I have shown from the Bible.
I know that there is a list of other prophesies that some attribute to modern Israel, and if you are willing to bring them to me one at a time I will study them with you.
There are other commenters that call us "antisemitic" and worse names, when we don't share their views on modern Israel and I thought you were better than that.
I am still grateful to you for bringing the matter to the verses of the Bible.
We are in very muddy waters when we try to resolve these things outside of scripture.
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Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God..

What happened after the Babylon?
 
God-fearing said:
Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God..

What happened after the Babylon?
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You're removing that verse completely from its context, which is Amos 9:11-15. James said in Acts 15 that that prophecy was being fulfilled before their eyes.

Do you believe James?

The prophets didn't see everything in expicit detail, so it's no wonder that Amos saw something that began at Pentecost and ends at the lord's return with his people to inhabit the land forever.
 
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Beekeeper said:
There are other commenters that call us "antisemitic" and worse names, when we don't share their views on modern Israel and I thought you were better than that.
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When backed into a corner "antisemitic" tends to fly from their mouths (fingers).

It's ironic, since believing one can come to the Father by any way except by Christ is "anti-Christ". Instead of making the Jews jealous or desperate for the Lord, they provide a nice pillow on which the Jews may lay their head, safe in their physical connection to Abraham.
 
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Aaron56 said:
When backed into a corner "antisemitic" tends to fly from their mouths (fingers).

It's ironic, since believing one can come to the Father by any way except by Christ is "anti-Christ". Instead of making the Jews jealous or desperate for the Lord, they provide a nice pillow on which the Jews may lay their head, safe in their physical connection to Abraham.
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No its not that way at all. What's really ironic that if you lived back before Christ or even when he first walked among us that a gentile could be included and saved now that's ironic......but it happened.
We all agree that Jesus is the only way. God will make it happen. Question is why dont you believe 🤔
Don't you find it ironic that you as well as all of us take the word of God to be infallible all from Jewish authors inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yet flaunt your Christianity as if was your doing in the matter.
The blindness will be Lifted_by_the_word. They will lament in his coming, they will repent,
If some one judged you by your old self where would you stand?
 
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