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Honestly, this is one of the silliest things I've heard Christians teach. I know you didn't come up with it, because i've heard it before. A covenant is between separate parties, eg, God/Abraham, God/Israel, God/David. The idea of someone having a covenant with themself is just ridiculous.


How was a covenant made? I've asked that 20 times here and got no answer. Let's try you.
 
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No, it hasn't. In the NT Israel is called Israel and the church the church. Never is one meaning the other.
So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Romans 11 makes it clear God will restore the Jewish people. YOU are grafted in. [/QUOTE]
The church the body of Christ has always been Israel according to the Spirit that belong to Christ it was always the remnant in the nation
 
No, it hasn't. In the NT Israel is called Israel and the church the church. Never is one meaning the other.

lol

This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:37-38
 
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This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:37-38


Lol you're not serious with this post? Or you missed the point altogether? Which is it?
 
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So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.

Nope. Romans 11 makes it clear God will restore the Jewish people. YOU are grafted in. [/QUOTE]
The church the body of Christ has always been Israel according to the Spirit that belong to Christ it was always the remnant in the nation[/QUOTE]


And still nope. Saying it twice, still doesn't make it right.
 
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Why would I go over the points again? We haven't gotten off the first step. God made a covenant with Himself. Period. Start there.

We never went over the points. You haven’t shown me any evidence that it was an ‘everlasting’ covenant. Thats why we need to deal with the points raised as that resolves the issues. Was the covenant with conditions ie to follow God or unconditional that it doesn’t matter even if you worship idols? Was it abrogated (hence numerous ‘NEW’ covenants)? Was it given to another people because – 32 they broke my covenant (cant be everlasting if broken)?

Matt 21:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

This is just the basics we need to deal with before we go in depth as there is so much more to shown they were once a chosen people but lost that long time ago and were killers of prophets – 1 Kings 19 - But the people of Israel have broken their agreement with you, destroyed your altars, and killed your prophets with swords.

No point putting random passages without context.
 
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When Paul wrote Rom 11:25-27

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The All Israel that shall be saved is not the physical nation of Israel, but Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ, comprised of Abrahams Spiritual seed of promise, consisting of jews and gentiles. So in this manner, by the calling in of the Gentile Elect, Sheep together with the jew elect sheep, all Israel shall be saved, the Body of Christ !
 
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Matt 21:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

This is just the basics we need to deal with before we go in depth as there is so much more to shown they were once a chosen people but lost that long time ago and were killers of prophets – 1 Kings 19 - But the people of Israel have broken their agreement with you, destroyed your altars, and killed your prophets with swords.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[Rom 9:25-26 KJV]
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
 
When Paul wrote Rom 11:25-27

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The All Israel that shall be saved is not the physical nation of Israel, but Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ, comprised of Abrahams Spiritual seed of promise, consisting of jews and gentiles. So in this manner, by the calling in of the Gentile Elect, Sheep together with the jew elect sheep, all Israel shall be saved, the Body of Christ !

Definitely agree, brightfame52:

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

[Gal 3:27-29 KJV]
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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The Israel that is the remnant according to the elect of Grace is the church the body of Christ, ethnicity has nothing to do with it


No, that is called replacement theology. It's false. It's been repented of by the Catholics and the Protestants since the Holocaust because it causes antisemitism. God is not done with the Jewish people Romans 11 says so. YOU are grafted in, you don't replace the Jews.
 
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