Israel.

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Dude. I wish you would have just asked the question and then waited for the answer.

Did you forget Melchizedek? He represented the eternal priesthood.

And here were more priests of that order at Sinai before the law was given:

Exodus 19:22 “Also let the priests who come near the LORD consecrate themselves, lest the LORD break out against them.”

Exodus 19:24 "Then the LORD said to him, “Away! Get down and then come up, you and Aaron with you. But do not let the priests and the people break through to come up to the LORD, lest He break out against them.”

The administration of the priests was simple: "Hear the Lord and do what He says". This was the condition at Sinai:

This was before God spoke on Sinai: "‘Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine."

This is the exact administration Jesus restored as the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek:

"“Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel."

And also:

"But He answered and said, “It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

This order was actually seen at the beginning of creation: God said, the Son responded, and the Spirit ordered creation.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."

But here is the kicker, this is very important: by believing God, Abram was administrating like a priest according to Melchizedek.

This should not be a surprise, the promise of priesthood was available at Sinai. The people only had to do what God said:

This is Exodus 19:5 (with my comments in ( ): "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant (administration of the priesthood), then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests (there it is) and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Did Israel become a holy nation? No.
Who did?

This is Peter speaking to Gentiles about the New Covenant in His blood:

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

Some might say "Peter was speaking to Jews." No. The next verse is this:

"Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

The Jews were made a specific people in the Old Testament. Besides, Peter is writing to the saints in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia. It is widely understood that these were primarily Gentile believers.

The point: The priesthood existed in Christ from the foundation of the world. Melchizedek and others represented that priesthood in their day. The Law was added 430 years after the promises were given to Abraham and then the Levites, only 1 tribe in 12, became the priests. Yet, it was always God's plan to have a kingdom of priests and a holy nation in the earth.

Paul addresses this:

"Now to Abraham and his Seed (remember this is Christ) were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

The cost of that covenant, the covenant that the priests of Melchizedek and Jesus administered, was Christ's death, which was paid in eternity from the foundation of the world.

The priesthood of Melchizedek has been active from the foundation of the world. The Law, given in time and space and added because of transgressions, cannot annul the eternal priesthood, nor the covenant they administrate, secured by the sacrifice of Christ.

Didn't Moses,Aaron,Nadab,Abihu and seventy elders see God on Mount Sinai?Why not the rest of the Israelites?Because God's remnant was his true Israel.
The Israelites as a whole in the OT were a remnant but within that remnant was a remnant.When you read about God and the Israelites it is like the parable of the separating the wheat from the tares.God was separating the tares from his chosen remnant.His true Israel.
It is almost like what once was will be again.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Amen sister glad to read this one , and I sincerely respect your beliefs

And I yours. Now have you given your opinion in the Cracker Barrel thread? lol

 

[God-fearing]

Listen to this Pilgrimshope.

 

[HeIsHere]

Poor author is getting no credit.

Again, please cite your sources or at least link to the site.

I'm sure @Pilgrimshope has better things to do than debate a Copy-Paste argument.

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And such an objective source at that... "Israel My Glory" lol

 

[HeIsHere]

And I think you need to no the difference between restoration and new

In Christ Jesus all things are made new and restored.

Face it, dispensationalism diminishes the work of Christ Jesus.
Yes, indeed it does.

 

[HeIsHere]

Listen to this Pilgrimshope.

They sure like to hang on that line, "all of Israel will be saved"

and from there they say "we know they are being bad now but it is okay cause eventually they are all going to be saved"

provides lots of cover for breaking international law and all manner of horrible, unspeakable things,

except Paul was not speaking about a secular state 2000+ years into the future.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yup...kill them all let God sort them out....yeah that's what its all about. Exactly what we're posting. You dont want to know the truth that is the bottom line.

So ridiculous, maybe step out of you binary view of things and echo chamber and test your knowledge objectively and see where you land.
I believed all that ridiculous Darby/Scofield teachings once.

Have you ever done that or do you just run to the next video that tells you what you want to hear?

 

[God-fearing]

I mean if I really wanted to use something that no one has said to push my narrative do I dare say that we born again believers are the fruit of Israel? No that's really going to far....?
I mean because of one jew....Jesus... who sent out his apostles who were Jewish to preach the kingdom if we could only trace back to know who we heard it from.
Could it be possible? According to scripture?

 

[God-fearing]

Do you actually believe Israel’s restoration isn’t going to come through the messiah ?

“And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.(”<<< surely someone recognized this in the nt promises of Christ )
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promise he made to redeem them is Jesus as long as they reject Jesus thier savior and messiah and king they can’t be saved and inherit Abraham’s actual promise to his seed.

israel was promised by god a restoration when the messiah was born and came to them that is thoer only way to be redeemed the inheritance tied to the law is not viable anymore they fulfilled the curse rather than blessing

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-20‬ ‭

To call it unconditional isn’t really viable but to acknowledge the co dictions leads to Christ and the New Testament the actual truth

Who made far better promises than Moses without Jesus thoer Lord and messiah Israel is doomed and scheduled for destruction that’s the truth

Never said that. I said that the restoring is in the time of the 1000 yr reign. Which you seem to avoid and go to the new Jerusalem.
By the way you still haven't got back to me when I showed scripture of Israel being Gods son that you adamantly denied.
I not here to prove I'm right . Im here to prove the scriptures are right.

 

[God-fearing]

So ridiculous, maybe step out of you binary view of things and echo chamber and test your knowledge objectively and see where you land.
I believed all that ridiculous Darby/Scofield teachings once.

Have you ever done that or do you just run to the next video that tells you what you want to hear?

I've researched both sides but can read for myself. I've been an advocate for Israel much before this war.
I've can't tell you how much anger i have expressed against some of the rabbi teachings and some of the pastoral teachings I've heard.
Truth is there are bad guys on both sides that I can't deny. I've lined up my beliefs with what the Lord wants to and has accomplished in Christ Jesus. To put a end to the enmity. To unite in spirit and truth. That's the goal.
This satanic smoke screen started way before October, 7th. As a conditioning of things to come. BLM, antifada, erase history, ban law enforcement, entitlement, all inclusion, all the lawlessness demanding there right to be lawless.
Nations followed the example of the united states, allowing the lawlessness to be tolerated.
In my search for a answer from God he gave me this verse.....train up a child in the way they should go and when they are older they will not leave. I thought that nuts what's that have to do with anything? Come to find out its so true in what we are facing today.
As we grow older the younger becomes our government, our representatives, and look what they been allowed to learn.
Marxist ways, communistic ways, all anti American. All failed governments all hypocritical as inclusion only if you agree with us.
Moral decay, violence, hatred all this is enmity. It's dividing not unity. We are returning into the days of noah as the scriptures say.
We look at Israel today and point out her sins, is that what Jesus told us to do? We take the words of Israel's enemies as truth and call israel a liar. A third of the UN is Islamic. Israel is the key to revelation who do you think is behind this smoke screen.
If you want to discredit this Israel that's your choice. If your convinced that this is not God's people so be it. But take a good look around at the company you keep. Watch what happens. Every nation every people who ever went against Israel did not have a good ending.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Never said that. I said that the restoring is in the time of the 1000 yr reign. Which you seem to avoid and go to the new Jerusalem.
By the way you still haven't got back to me when I showed scripture of Israel being Gods son that you adamantly denied.
I not here to prove I'm right . Im here to prove the scriptures are right.

“Never said that. I said that the restoring is in the time of the 1000 yr reign.”

yeah but aren’t you guys saying gods restoring them now as they are still rejecting thier messiah who’s the one he sent to restore them ? I’m really unclear the “ thousand year reign “ are resurrected dead martyrs and saints of the ot who reign with Christ for a “ thousand years “ your version is they reject him and rule for a thousand years then he returns ? Can you sort of give me a summary of what you believe because I’m really confused

“By the way you still haven't got back to me when I showed scripture of Israel being Gods son that you adamantly denied.”

a lol no no you said israel was gods first son and so I showed a verse saying Adam was the son of God. That’s all . Then you quoted another verse saying “ Israel is my firstborn “ …. Which I said was a figure of Christ like the law and prophets all are figures of the true things in Jesus Christ isrels only hope of salvation or ever reigning anywhere.

but your using an apacalyptic vision to try to establish literal things yet it’s showing saints and martyrs of isreal raised from the dead to reign with Christ in heaven for a “thousand “ years. It has absolutely ziltch to do with osraels earthly desolate nation being restored

Israel’s inheritance is in Christ he is the sole hier of God absolutely nothing else can save any man on earth now or ever bit to accept Jesus . And there’s no israel nation reign for a thousand years on earth in the scriptures you’re trying to prove right .

you don’t have to prove any Scripture “ right “ sincerely you just have to show it to me in the New Testament . And not show me when the saints and martyrs of Israel are raised to reign with Christ in his kingdom in the apacolypse of John the apostle . It’a one fragment of an apocalypse not a literal story

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I mean if I really wanted to use something that no one has said to push my narrative do I dare say that we born again believers are the fruit of Israel? No that's really going to far....?
I mean because of one jew....Jesus... who sent out his apostles who were Jewish to preach the kingdom if we could only trace back to know who we heard it from.
Could it be possible? According to scripture?

……..Back to one son of Abraham named Jesus Christ …Abraham wasn’t a Jew nor an Israelite . They didn’t exist yet . He was a Hebrew . Everything traces back to Jesus who is the son of Abraham , son of David the son of promise the messiah

When you guys are reading this

“Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats not about “ Jews “ it’s about Abraham’s children in Christ his son the one everything traces back to . That is about these

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

( look at this part ) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( Abraham’s seed )There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8-9, 16, 27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All Israelites not only jews , who convert and believe and all gentiles who convert are Abraham’s seed the many are all the faithful people to god throughout the ages the one is Jesus Christ the son of Abraham promises the promosed king of David’s line ect everything begins and ends with Jesus Christ . But Jesus isn’t a Jew that’s a misunderstanding

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And I yours. Now have you given your opinion in the Cracker Barrel thread? lol

Never knew there was one but I heard today they dropped the new logo too big of losses

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Never knew there was one but I heard today they dropped the new logo too big of losses

Yep. seems somehow they missed the "don't go woke, go broke" scandal of Bud Light and decided to dive in head first. smh

 

[Needevidence]

Because then they would have to admit they are interpreting scripture incorrectly.

Yes, I thought it would be helpful for people to reconsider / investigate the points raised for their own benefit - but sadly I’ve realised it’s a bit of a waste of time with some and you just have to leave them to it.

 

[brightfame52]

@Gideon300

There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose.

Its been fulfilled by the 1 st coming of Christ. National Israel's role has been fulfilled, its existence now gentile, like any other nation.

 

[Aaron56]

The author of everything I do gets credit. But I can't here because if they are Jewish or agree in any way with Israel it's ignored. It is NOT a copy/paste debate, it's been said BY ME FROM SCRIPTURE over a dozen times here.
Same comments I have gone over and over and over. Abrahamic covenant was unconditional. The land was promised to Israel, given borders, they have not possessed all the land YET but they WILL. Israel was the nation born in a day. The dry bones coming together is a picture of Israel. God will/is regathering the Jews to the land He promised, from all corners of the earth. The are blinded until the Gentiles have come in. I can recite this in my sleep. Cast you gaze back and you will see this is the argument I have made since I have been here under this name. And the people who know me under my other name can vouch that I have made the SAME comments then and now. @Magenta can back up my comments, which have never changed in all the years I have been here. So no, you can't give an author credit on this subject because the antisemitism and propaganda from some here is so biased that they reject out of hand anything with a hint of Jewishness about it.

Wow, that doesn't sound like "I'm sorry for presenting material like it was my own." at all.

 

[Aaron56]

Saint they dont want the truth that's the bottom line. You've done all to point to it but you are not heard over the noise of the world and false teachings. Let them be modern day pharisees and receive their reward.

No, I actually cut my Believer's teeth on your version of Israel but then I searched the scriptures to see if what I was taught was true, you know, like the Bereans you claim to exemplify. Turns out I was wrong to believe what I was told.

Here's the kicker: when I started to ask questions I noticed that the emotions of the people defending natural Israel became more apparent, even threatening. That's always a tell for lying spirit at work. They defend their territory with threats. But then the people questioned my salvation. That was the Ace that ultimately gave them away.

Mind you, this was decades ago. I'm sure they're worse now.
Some might even plagiarize entire websites in an attempt to defend their position then, when found out, write a page long excuse without even apologizing.

 

[Aaron56]

Didn't Moses,Aaron,Nadab,Abihu and seventy elders see God on Mount Sinai?Why not the rest of the Israelites?Because God's remnant was his true Israel.
The Israelites as a whole in the OT were a remnant but within that remnant was a remnant.When you read about God and the Israelites it is like the parable of the separating the wheat from the tares.God was separating the tares from his chosen remnant.His true Israel.
It is almost like what once was will be again.

Yeah, the call was to all who were at the mountain but only a few answered it. Had all responded, the Law would not have been given as it would not have been necessary. God would have had his nation of royal priests because, in the presence of God man is liberated from the ways of the world.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, I thought it would be helpful for people to reconsider / investigate the points raised for their own benefit - but sadly I’ve realised it’s a bit of a waste of time with some and you just have to leave them to it.

When a person states there is no genocide, based on nothing.... I would say yes it is a dreadful waste of time.