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You really don't want to be playing that card. Are you sure you want to lock in that answer?

The palestinians revere a man who married a 6 year old. Islam is the undisputed religion of perversion on this earth. Why are you ignoring the sins of Hamas and the "palestinians"?
Stupid argument when the state of Israel is bombing churches. Perhaps there would be more Christians in Palestine to speak against pedophilia (and Islam in general) if the nation of Israel hadn't blatantly committed war crimes by bombing them? Protecting pedos, and bombing those who would condemn them, paid for by Christian tax-dollars from the US. I really think its you who don't want to be playing that card.

And I haven't heard of any Muslim countries whose members of government are committing pedophillic acts in the West, and then fleeing back to these countries for shelter. There would be cries for boycott, embargos and wars, and rightly so.
 
Stupid argument when the state of Israel is bombing churches. Perhaps there would be more Christians in Palestine to speak against pedophilia (and Islam in general) if the nation of Israel hadn't blatantly committed war crimes by bombing them? Protecting pedos, and bombing those who would condemn them, paid for by Christian tax-dollars from the US. I really think its you who don't want to be playing that card.


One would think,

...that if how they interpret scripture means they have to defend a genocidal state, who is stealing land daily, it would cause them to rethink their position, nope they just keep trying to deflect or pretend it is not happening.
 
One would think,

...that if how they interpret scripture means they have to defend a genocidal state, who is stealing land daily, it would cause them to rethink their position, nope they just keep trying to deflect or pretend it is not happening.
Yup. I think when people are defending (often by denying) crimes so evil as genocide and pedophilia, and when it is committed so brazenly and openly - their hearts are too hard to change. They're too embedded in the cult to see what Christians, outsiders, and even unbelievers and "bad people" can see. Unless something impacts on such people personally - unless a family member or friend is murdered or abused by this protected class, and such cult members see first-hand the systemic protection of the wicked - I don't think such people can change. (Even in such cults and under such circumstances, the cult members don't always accept the truth of what has happened).
 
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It was God's will to spare Nineveh through the preaching of Jonah so it could destroy Israel around 60 years later. Perhaps God letting Israel be "born in a day" is not for the purposes you think it is.
Birth implies being brought forth by natural or organic processes - exactly the opposite with the modern state of Israel. Predetermined, calculated, and brought about by the money, power and corruption of wicked men (and continued until the present by the same types of wicked men, given all the genocide and pedophilia blackmail going on). Spawned in a day, perhaps, but certainly not born in a day.
 
Where was the priesthood when God gave the covenant to Abraham? There are a number of covenants, beginning with Noah. Some are conditional, such as the covenant with Moses and Israel, some are unconditional, such as God's covenant with Abraham. You don't get to pick and choose which covenant to apply in any given situation. God's promise to Abraham was everlasting. There was no priesthood, no temple, no law and no Levites.

Read Romans chapter 11; first take your blinkers off. You might learn something.

Exactly what I have been telling @Pilgrimshope !!
 
Youve ignored the points raised in my post - listing passages translated as forever / everlasting - doesn’t answer the Q raised - why don’t you respond to the points?

Because then they would have to admit they are interpreting scripture incorrectly.
 
It has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus. God has moved on and you should too! :)
So true but not in our time as of today....are you in that kingdom right now? Do you see the king? When is your next trip to Jerusalem or did the king send to a nation to witness.
Do you serve in the temple if so what are ya doing. What's Jesus look like. Did they start the highway yet.
Stop being so foolish just because your narrative makes you look that way.
Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Gotcha just ignore scripture to prove your narrative.
 
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Already have - thats why you don’t respond to the points - whenever you ready for a serious debate let me know - until then I won’t waste my time any further as you clearly don’t seem to be bothered with the truth


No you haven't debunked any Scripture verses. lol Waste your time?! Have many times have I answered your posts and been ignored. Not a question. The covenant to Abe was unconditional. Already showed that several posts back using Scripture.
 
So true but not in our time as of today....are you in that kingdom right now? Do you see the king? When is your next trip to Jerusalem or did the king send to a nation to witness.
Do you serve in the temple if so what are ya doing. What's Jesus look like. Did they start the highway yet.
Stop being so foolish just because your narrative makes you look that way.
Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Gotcha just ignore scripture to prove your narrative.

The temple was destroyed, believers are the temple, time for you to revisit your eschatology.
 
Yup. I think when people are defending (often by denying) crimes so evil as genocide

The numbers are given by Hamas. There is no proof of genocide. Debunked that many posts ago with a war experts opinion. I'll trust him over you.

and pedophilia, and when it is committed so brazenly

Committed in every other country on earth, don't see you screaming about that. Especially in Muslim countries where they molest even infants. I don't see you screaming about that either. Seems to me you only see pedophilia happening in one country only, Israel. It's against the law in Israel, it's not in most Muslim countries. Along with FGM. You want to yap about how bad Israel is, then lets start talking about how bad Muslims are. Not one woman in this thread would last two weeks under Muslim rule as compared to the freedom in Israel, a democratic country, the only one in the ME.
 
Where was the priesthood when God gave the covenant to Abraham? There are a number of covenants, beginning with Noah. Some are conditional, such as the covenant with Moses and Israel, some are unconditional, such as God's covenant with Abraham. You don't get to pick and choose which covenant to apply in any given situation. God's promise to Abraham was everlasting. There was no priesthood, no temple, no law and no Levites.

Read Romans chapter 11; first take your blinkers off. You might learn something.

Dude. I wish you would have just asked the question and then waited for the answer.

Did you forget Melchizedek? He represented the eternal priesthood.

And here were more priests of that order at Sinai before the law was given:

Exodus 19:22 “Also let the priests who come near the LORD consecrate themselves, lest the LORD break out against them.”

Exodus 19:24 "Then the LORD said to him, “Away! Get down and then come up, you and Aaron with you. But do not let the priests and the people break through to come up to the LORD, lest He break out against them.”

The administration of the priests was simple: "Hear the Lord and do what He says". This was the condition at Sinai:

This was before God spoke on Sinai: "‘Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine."

This is the exact administration Jesus restored as the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek:

"“Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel."

And also:

"But He answered and said, “It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."


This order was actually seen at the beginning of creation: God said, the Son responded, and the Spirit ordered creation.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."

But here is the kicker, this is very important: by believing God, Abram was administrating like a priest according to Melchizedek.

This should not be a surprise, the promise of priesthood was available at Sinai. The people only had to do what God said:

This is Exodus 19:5 (with my comments in ( ): "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant (administration of the priesthood), then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests (there it is) and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Did Israel become a holy nation? No.
Who did?

This is Peter speaking to Gentiles about the New Covenant in His blood:

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

Some might say "Peter was speaking to Jews." No. The next verse is this:

"Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

The Jews were made a specific people in the Old Testament. Besides, Peter is writing to the saints in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia. It is widely understood that these were primarily Gentile believers.

The point: The priesthood existed in Christ from the foundation of the world. Melchizedek and others represented that priesthood in their day. The Law was added 430 years after the promises were given to Abraham and then the Levites, only 1 tribe in 12, became the priests. Yet, it was always God's plan to have a kingdom of priests and a holy nation in the earth.

Paul addresses this:

"Now to Abraham and his Seed (remember this is Christ) were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

The cost of that covenant, the covenant that the priests of Melchizedek and Jesus administered, was Christ's death, which was paid in eternity from the foundation of the world.

The priesthood of Melchizedek has been active from the foundation of the world. The Law, given in time and space and added because of transgressions, cannot annul the eternal priesthood, nor the covenant they administrate, secured by the sacrifice of Christ.
 
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Where was the priesthood when God gave the covenant to Abraham? There are a number of covenants, beginning with Noah. Some are conditional, such as the covenant with Moses and Israel, some are unconditional, such as God's covenant with Abraham. You don't get to pick and choose which covenant to apply in any given situation. God's promise to Abraham was everlasting. There was no priesthood, no temple, no law and no Levites.

Read Romans chapter 11; first take your blinkers off. You might learn something.

Can you dispense with the attempt at insulting me? This is a Bible Discussion Forum and, given your study of scripture (which I respect) I expect better from you.
 
The temple was destroyed, believers are the temple, time for you to revisit your eschatology.

True again but if the Lord tarries what happens to your temple? Does it return to the dust. Yes but it is resurrected as to a new temple.
But the temple made with hands dies. I am quite sure I do not have all the answers in fact John said he did not know what we would be but certain we are in christ. Remember he was a jew. In fact all the Apostles were jews Jesus was a jew....so we have all these jews telling gentiles and the such how to be Christian. Kinda ironic huh.
God made Israel not man. God formed Israel not man. If you want to go by the letter of the law then cancel grace. No one will enter.
Place now grace received then a whole new thing has been done. As far as I see Israel has not lost there faith in the one God.
Add that to the Grace that will be found and is now in the gift that keeps on giving who said Behold (look) I make all things new Christ Jesus Himself why you have this very scripture.
By grace you are Saved through faith which is no work of our own it is the gift of God.
 
Yup. I think when people are defending (often by denying) crimes so evil as genocide and pedophilia, and when it is committed so brazenly and openly - their hearts are too hard to change. They're too embedded in the cult to see what Christians, outsiders, and even unbelievers and "bad people" can see. Unless something impacts on such people personally - unless a family member or friend is murdered or abused by this protected class, and such cult members see first-hand the systemic protection of the wicked - I don't think such people can change. (Even in such cults and under such circumstances, the cult members don't always accept the truth of what has happened).


They think they "debunk" by reaching into their one echo chamber media source and there is plenty of that around to keep the delusion burning bright for now.

Yes, agree it would have to be a very personal event.
Thankfully they are all sound and fury and signifying nothing, but tragically and more importantly, those with power are doing nothing.

We are reaching another zenith in world evil, it seems, once again. :(
Genocide deniers, they are real.
 
True again but if the Lord tarries what happens to your temple? Does it return to the dust. Yes but it is resurrected as to a new temple.
But the temple made with hands dies. I am quite sure I do not have all the answers in fact John said he did not know what we would be but certain we are in christ. Remember he was a jew. In fact all the Apostles were jews Jesus was a jew....so we have all these jews telling gentiles and the such how to be Christian. Kinda ironic huh.
God made Israel not man. God formed Israel not man. If you want to go by the letter of the law then cancel grace. No one will enter.
Place now grace received then a whole new thing has been done. As far as I see Israel has not lost there faith in the one God.
Add that to the Grace that will be found and is now in the gift that keeps on giving who said Behold (look) I make all things new Christ Jesus Himself why you have this very scripture.
By grace you are Saved through faith which is no work of our own it is the gift of God.

I really think you need to realize spiritual salvation is on an individual level, as is taught in the NT.
 
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Oh, wait what? God is defending and protecting the Israelis? Well I'm sure not gonna dispute His plan and power no matter how my little ego may form a different stand. Of course, we are all entitled to form our own protests against His will as did Satan.
 
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