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You've been 100 % correct through this whole thread. I appreciate that you keep posting in spite of it all and pointing out the truth of the Word.
yes and pilgrimshope has shown you what thier covenant law said the children of Israel’s covenant
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
Deuteronomy 29:1
“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
Exodus 24:7-8 KJV
“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
Deuteronomy 11:26-28 KJV
you then telling me Adam and Noah had covenants doesn’t change the covenant made between God and the children of Israel . You rejecting what it said doesn’t change what it said
The Old Testament is a pattern for the real things found in Christ ….. Israel and tbier fans shouldn’t want this inheritance
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10 KJV
they probably should look to what he actually promised
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:13
That’s what he’s been promising since thier covenant was broken bit it seems like you want to force this on them as thier inheritance
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5, 19-20 KJV
anyone who wants this inheritance rather than this one god promised
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Isaiah 65:17 KJV
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
Isaiah 66:22
Im not sure israel wants to inherit this earth or the curses of thier covenant anymore seems more like a lot of people want it for them . They should repent and believe in Jesus as they are called to do
seems like something the west has done for profit god does things his way. Wonder if he gave Russia hypersonic nukes too and China ? Us ?
God gave to Abraham three unconditional promises in Genesis 12:1–3. In verse 1 there is the promise of a national blessing—a national land divinely deeded. In verse 2 individual blessing is promised. This, literally, is the promise of numerous descendants. It also points to a day when those descendants will be held in high esteem and be the source of great blessing. In verse 3 is the third promise of universal blessing—redemption, both for Israel and, through her, to all the world. But because of her great sin, the fulfillment of this covenant was postponed.
Moses, in prophesying Israel’s future rebellion, also spoke of her future reestablishment in the land in accordance with the Abrahamic Covenant (Dt. 30:20). This is precisely the same statement made by Jeremiah (Jer. 31:31–33) and known as the New Covenant. Note that the covenant to be replaced is not the Abrahamic Covenant but the Mosaic Covenant (v. 32). Thus, there is a day yet future when God will fulfill completely the covenant He made with Abraham.
The Bible clearly teaches two distinct dispersions and two subsequent regatherings of the nation of Israel. The first dispersion was prophesied in Deuteronomy 28:36–37 and occurred in two phases. The first phase took place about 721 B.C., when the northern kingdom (Israel) was carried away into Assyria (cp. 2 Ki. 17:6). The second phase began around 608 B.C. when Judah, the southern kingdom, was carried captive into Babylon (cp. 2 Ki. 24:11–16; 25:8–11). Jeremiah-prophesied that the latter dispersion would last 70 years (Jer. 25:11). There was a partial return during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, around 538 B.C.
The second regathering is prophesied in Deuteronomy 30:1–6 and Isaiah 41:8–20. Again, notice the phrases “among all the nations” (Dt. 30:1) and “Abraham … whom I have taken from the ends of the earth” (Isa. 41:8–9). This is clearly a worldwide regathering for ultimate millennial blessing! Therefore, the second regathering must immediately precede the Messiah’s Second Coming.
Scripture is clear that Israel’s final reestablishment in the land will occur in close connection with the Second Coming of the Messiah. It is further evident that the Messiah’s Second Coming is tied to the second regathering of Israel into her land (Isa. 11:10–12). Note the time of the Messiah’s Second Coming: when “the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people” (v. 11). Note further from whence He shall gather them: “from the four corners of the earth” (v. 12).
It is further evident that, although in unbelief (Ezek. 37:8), Israel will be reestablished as a nation before the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week (Isa. 28:15–18, 22). Isaiah states that Israel will make “a covenant with death, and with sheol” (v. 15). Clearly this is the covenant made with the Antichrist at the beginning of the Tribulation period (cp. Dan. 9:27).
How can the Antichrist make a covenant with Israel at the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week, except she be a nation at that time? Why would Israel make such a covenant with the Antichrist, except she be in her land in spiritual blindness? Why would the Antichrist even want to make a covenant with Israel, except she be a nation of some political and international importance? How could the Antichrist break the covenant and desecrate the Temple in the middle of the Tribulation period, except a Temple be built by Israel before that time? The plain facts clearly show that in the last days, the second and final reestablishment of Israel in her land, in spiritual blindness, will become the most astounding sign of the time!
As we have seen, Scripture clearly prophesies two dispersions and regatherings of the nation of Israel—and only two. Since two dispersions and one regathering have already occurred, the present regathering of Israel must be the second and final regathering in preparation for the Messiah’s return to reign over the Millennial Kingdom.
The next great event for Israel is the coming of “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7). The next great event for the Church is the Rapture. “Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless” (2 Pet. 3:14). “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; they shall prosper who love thee” (Ps. 122:6).
“the promise of a national blessing—a national land divinely deeded. “
…..this feels like a repeat ^^^ he then led them into the land giving them a law of that land that was either a blessing or a curse based on tbier actions .it’s not unconditional that’s the whole reason Jesus came to redeem them from thier
covenant of death and cursing they they broke .
“Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”
Daniel 9:11 KJV
this earth is doomed to be destroyed it was defiled when they broke tbier covenant. Why do you insist on this for Israel ? I thought you were on thier side ? So why point here as thier land ?
You could benefit by studying books like Hebrews the epistle written to Hebrews believers but you won’t find any promises of land on this earth for them of course they probably didn’t understand what you do
“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Hebrews 9:15 KJV
This is not going to be where Israel’s restored
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. ….The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5, 20 KJV
I personally don’t see anything of you acknowledging Israel’s actual covenant mediated through Moses it’s been shown to you but you won’t acknowledge it . Try telling a Jew thier covenant wasn’t mediated by Moses words lol …..or mentioning Jesus their only messiah that’s ever coming . You may find out about what Jews believe at that point and why what’s happening now has nothing to do with god restoring them
I don’t really want to keep quoting things you aren’t willing to read and acknowledge though . I have no issue with you believing the way you do , I just don’t agree with you but it’s ok doesn’t matter if I do or don’t . You’re still perfectly fine to believe what you believe. God bless you
I dont agree with your interpretation of Daniel either I think the same people who think what you think will take the same view of daniels vision as well . I don’t see it the same way at all
its alright for two people to have different views however .
Please cite your sources.
The exact text can be found here: https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-regathering-of-israel/?hilite=regathering+israel
Poor author is getting no credit.
Again, please cite your sources or at least link to the site.
I'm sure @Pilgrimshope has better things to do than debate a Copy-Paste argument.
Yeah these things have many different interpretations and ideas . If we look close we can see the eternal things and the ones quickly fading away
They think they "debunk" by reaching into their one echo chamber media source and there is plenty of that around to keep the delusion burning bright for now.
Yes, agree it would have to be a very personal event.
Thankfully they are all sound and fury and signifying nothing, but tragically and more importantly, those with power are doing nothing.
We are reaching another zenith in world evil, it seems, once again.
Genocide deniers, they are real.
Yup...kill them all let God sort them out....yeah that's what its all about. Exactly what we're posting. You dont want to know the truth that is the bottom line.
Saint they dont want the truth that's the bottom line. You've done all to point to it but you are not heard over the noise of the world and false teachings. Let them be modern day pharisees and receive their reward.
Saint its been a blessing to come along side and witness with you. Godsspeed saint
The author of everything I do gets credit. But I can't here because if they are Jewish or agree in any way with Israel it's ignored. It is NOT a copy/paste debate, it's been said BY ME FROM SCRIPTURE over a dozen times here.
Same comments I have gone over and over and over. Abrahamic covenant was unconditional. The land was promised to Israel, given borders, they have not possessed all the land YET but they WILL. Israel was the nation born in a day. The dry bones coming together is a picture of Israel. God will/is regathering the Jews to the land He promised, from all corners of the earth. The are blinded until the Gentiles have come in. I can recite this in my sleep. Cast you gaze back and you will see this is the argument I have made since I have been here under this name. And the people who know me under my other name can vouch that I have made the SAME comments then and now. @Magenta can back up my comments, which have never changed in all the years I have been here. So no, you can't give an author credit on this subject because the antisemitism and propaganda from some here is so biased that they reject out of hand anything with a hint of Jewishness about it.
Well we haven't been hostile about it. As I said in the other post, I have believed and stated these beliefs for many years here. As far as not mentioning the author that wasn't against you but a couple others here that have such a hatred for the Jews that you can't share any information that they smell Jewishness on. But you and I haven't had issues in all the years I've been here and I don't wish to start now. We agree to disagree on this one. But I think we're gonna find out who is right pretty quickly. It sure seems like we are close to the second coming.
Amen sister glad to read this one , and I sincerely respect your beliefs
“Saint they dont want the truth that's the bottom line. “
“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 14:2-3, 5-6 KJV
Yep the Jews rejected him and still do that’s why they aren’t going to be redeemed they reject the redeemer . Individually tbey can be saved and become the children of Abraham
Do you actually believe Israel’s restoration isn’t going to come through the messiah ?
“And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.(”<<< surely someone recognized this in the nt promises of Christ )
Isaiah 49:5-10 KJV
The promise he made to redeem them is Jesus as long as they reject Jesus thier savior and messiah and king they can’t be saved and inherit Abraham’s actual promise to his seed.
israel was promised by god a restoration when the messiah was born and came to them that is thoer only way to be redeemed the inheritance tied to the law is not viable anymore they fulfilled the curse rather than blessing
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
To call it unconditional isn’t really viable but to acknowledge the co dictions leads to Christ and the New Testament the actual truth
Who made far better promises than Moses without Jesus thoer Lord and messiah Israel is doomed and scheduled for destruction that’s the truth
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